Pezzza Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Second cup is even better haha... but am terribly concerned the keggler is about to spit the dummy... One small thing... am a big believer in the small bubble... that is usually an indicator of something good going on... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I have found it keeps going into the head which is a good thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, CLASSIC said: I have found it keeps going into the head which is a good thing. I have this theory - which may be completely wrong - but anyway - that small bubble means good body and then resultant creamy mouthfeel, head, and head retention.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I'm impressed and just a little frustrated seeing all your beers with nice heads. This is my IPA (Coopers Bridge The Gap) I brewed a few weeks ago. So the images are, the Coopers image which is what we strive to achieve (well I do), what it looked like when I was testing the gravity and tonight when I poured my 1st glass, without being lit and trying to light it up to see if I can get close to what it is supposed to look like. The head lasted maybe 10 seconds, taste wise it is what I expected, I can definitely pick up the hops and the bitterness rolls over the tongue with a slight after taste which is not unpleasant. To be honest it is till very young (just shy of two weeks in the bottle) but I just had to give it a try. Hopefully the head will develop given more time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 @Boot Straps my two bobs worth would start with the glass, recently I decided to remove all of my Beer glasses from all fridges, give them a good scrubbing with a NEW dish brush from Coles in hot water with Bi-Carbonate of Soda, give them a workout all over the rim inside & out down in the glass, if the brush won't reach the bottom of the glass get a NEW chux & force it down & turn the sucker until you are satisfied the are clean. Then rinse them in hot water, then cold water & then stand them upside down a NEW chux & let the dry, if you have done it properly there will be no streaks etc. When dry place them upside down in a cabinet on a clean surface until ready for use. You will notice a difference !! I have gone on enough so I will leave the next chapter on head retention to other members. Cheers Phil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 @CLASSIC Thanks mate, I read that thread the other day (I thought the plastic cup v glass was interesting). I'm happy with the cleanliness of my glasses as they usually go through the dishwasher and they have no problem retaining a head with commercial beers. To date I have made 8 beers all coopers, none have retained much of a head except if I pour them at room temperature or close to it. With tonight's beer I chilled the glass and the beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Boot Straps said: @CLASSIC Thanks mate, I read that thread the other day (I thought the plastic cup v glass was interesting). I'm happy with the cleanliness of my glasses as they usually go through the dishwasher and they have no problem retaining a head with commercial beers. To date I have made 8 beers all coopers, none have retained much of a head except if I pour them at room temperature or close to it. With tonight's beer I chilled the glass and the beer. Well all I can say that the so-called experts on various Home Brew Websites & Glass Manufactures strongly advise not to use the Dishwasher as it creates a film over the glass as does keeping them in the fridge as that also absorbs all of the other elements/smells etc. Having said that I am not saying anything other than what works for me. I have found commercial beers are a lot more forgiving but I have noticed a lot better head is developed & retained with this method. I am not an expert so whatever people want to do, they will do. Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, CLASSIC said: Well all I can say that the so-called experts on various Home Brew Websites & Glass Manufactures strongly advise not to use the Dishwasher as it creates a film over the glass as does keeping them in the fridge as that also absorbs all of the other elements/smells etc. Having said that I am not saying anything other than what works for me. I have found commercial beers are a lot more forgiving but I have noticed a lot better head is developed & retained with this method. I am not an expert so whatever people want to do, they will do. Cheers Phil @CLASSICPoint taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Boot Straps said: @CLASSIC Thanks mate, I read that thread the other day (I thought the plastic cup v glass was interesting). I'm happy with the cleanliness of my glasses as they usually go through the dishwasher and they have no problem retaining a head with commercial beers. To date I have made 8 beers all coopers, none have retained much of a head except if I pour them at room temperature or close to it. With tonight's beer I chilled the glass and the beer. Hey Booter and @CLASSIC I reckon what @Boot Straps Booter has is symptomatic of a much bigger problem... way more than the glasses. Though I am with @CLASSIC Phil's attention to detail on glasses which I believe is just spot on..... pardon the pun.... maybe Spot Off I think the key is... Good Water Clean Gear 1 Coopers Ale - whatever - Kit 1 Coopers Liquid Malt Can - light amber or dark as what seems sensible 1 box of BE 3 or box of Coopers Malt Yer normal vat of water... Try to get 18 deg or C temp And then secondary ferment in bottles above 18 deg C or smash it in the keg ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 4:02 PM, CLASSIC said: If any newbie comes across please believe me, the beer is so much better. @CLASSIC Like you I'm happy to stick to extract brewing, I'd be happier if I can get my beers to look like yours (including cleaning my glassware LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Graubart said: Hey Booter and @CLASSIC I reckon what @Boot Straps Booter has is symptomatic of a much bigger problem... way more than the glasses. Though I am with @CLASSIC Phil's attention to detail on glasses which I believe is just spot on..... pardon the pun.... maybe Spot Off I think the key is... Good Water Clean Gear 1 Coopers Ale - whatever - Kit 1 Coopers Liquid Malt Can - light amber or dark as what seems sensible 1 box of BE 3 or box of Coopers Malt Yer normal vat of water... Try to get 18 deg or C temp And then secondary ferment in bottles above 18 deg C or smash it in the keg ; ) @Graubart G'day mate, temps aren't an issue, I have good temperature control both in the FV and in the bottle, a keg is not an option so I'll look at cleaning my glasses. I'm just using local tap water for my beer but I do have the option to use tank water which I imagine will need filtering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickers Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Boot Straps said: @CLASSIC Like you I'm happy to stick to extract brewing, I'd be happier if I can get my beers to look like yours (including cleaning my glassware LOL) a 250g overnight steep of light crystal malt in 2 litres of cold water overnight in the fridge is a really cheap and effective way to start bulking up your brews. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, Boot Straps said: @Graubart G'day mate, temps aren't an issue, I have good temperature control both in the FV and in the bottle, a keg is not an option so I'll look at cleaning my glasses. I'm just using local tap water for my beer but I do have the option to use tank water which I imagine will need filtering. Rightio then if you have not done so before... try that 1 Coopers Ale - whatever - Kit 1 Coopers Liquid Malt Can - wheat - light amber or dark as what seems sensible 1 box of BE 3 or box of Coopers Malt around 18 degC if you have not done the above combo - maybe try with that and see how it goes.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiek86 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 @Boot Straps I notice from most your posts your watering most your recepies down to 25 litres and mainly using brew enhancers? without sacrifice lower total volume and malt tins not brew enhancer you won't really get the linger lasting head mate. As @Stickers points out try steeping some specialty malt for body and mouthfeel plus head retention. If you do like the taste from dextrose brew enhancers etc then thats a problem as commercial brews use additives to improve head as they use simple sugars that thin the beer to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Straps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 58 minutes ago, jamiek86 said: @Boot Straps I notice from most your posts your watering most your recepies down to 25 litres and mainly using brew enhancers? without sacrifice lower total volume and malt tins not brew enhancer you won't really get the linger lasting head mate. As @Stickers points out try steeping some specialty malt for body and mouthfeel plus head retention. If you do like the taste from dextrose brew enhancers etc then thats a problem as commercial brews use additives to improve head as they use simple sugars that thin the beer to save money. @jamiek86 Hi Jamie, I'm not sure what you mean by watering down my recipes. I just follow what is written down in the recipe. I have a porter conditioning in bottles at the moment as well so it will be interesting to see how it turns out. That had specialty malts, with 1.5kg of LDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiek86 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 34 minutes ago, Boot Straps said: @jamiek86 Hi Jamie, I'm not sure what you mean by watering down my recipes. I just follow what is written down in the recipe. I have a porter conditioning in bottles at the moment as well so it will be interesting to see how it turns out. That had specialty malts, with 1.5kg of LDM I've just seen alot of your posts with 25 litres and brew enhancer maby they were earlier ones good luck if on right path malt and under 23 litres is way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barramullafella Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Reading the above posts I can understand beer not holding a head. Mine do much the same, but taste good. My question is, how to maintain the 25 lt volume and taste and 4% abv, increase quality of the head and a bit more body? I use a glass scrubber and sodium carbonate, and once glasses are dry, keep in fridge - mostly. I do this as it is similar to the pubs and clubs on NQ east coast store the glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Barramullafella said: Reading the above posts I can understand beer not holding a head. Mine do much the same, but taste good. My question is, how to maintain the 25 lt volume and taste and 4% abv, increase quality of the head and a bit more body? I use a glass scrubber and sodium carbonate, and once glasses are dry, keep in fridge - mostly. I do this as it is similar to the pubs and clubs on NQ east coast store the glasses. Use liquid malt instead of dry malt... and try using Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt... and I think if you do one Coopers Ale Kit - plus one can of Coopers Liquid Malt... no more dry malts etc... think it will still be under 5%.... @Shamus O'Sean Shamus can you direct Barra to where that lovely ian's spreadsheet is that you can forecast ABV from - mine is not the latest... Just checked on my old spready and that suggests if you use one Coopers Kit plus One Coopers Liquid Malt Can you will hit 4.3% in the bottle... Yeah and then try using the headmaster glasses or similar with the scoriations in the base of the glass... Edited May 6, 2021 by Graubart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barramullafella Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Graubart said: Use liquid malt instead of dry malt... and try using Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt... and I think if you do one Coopers Ale Kit - plus one can of Coopers Liquid Malt... no more dry malts etc... think it will still be under 5%.... @Shamus O'Sean Shamus can you direct Barra to where that lovely ian's spreadsheet is that you can forecast ABV from - mine is not the latest... Just checked on my old spready and that suggests if you use one Coopers Kit plus One Coopers Liquid Malt Can you will hit 4.3% in the bottle... Yeah and then try using the headmaster glasses or similar with the scoriations in the base of the glass... Thank you Graubart. I know it has been suggested to me to do extra malt with the kit and I will be trying that out soon. As stated I would like to keep the taste as is, and ABV near 4% +/- .2 % and am grateful for your suggestion/s and tips to go for extra malt from other members. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Micky Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Graubart said: Use liquid malt instead of dry malt... and try using Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt... and I think if you do one Coopers Ale Kit - plus one can of Coopers Liquid Malt... no more dry malts etc... think it will still be under 5%.... @Shamus O'Sean Shamus can you direct Barra to where that lovely ian's spreadsheet is that you can forecast ABV from - mine is not the latest... Just checked on my old spready and that suggests if you use one Coopers Kit plus One Coopers Liquid Malt Can you will hit 4.3% in the bottle... Yeah and then try using the headmaster glasses or similar with the scoriations in the base of the glass... GB, oh great one. You've just shot a bullseye mate. I forget who it was but way back someone (Sorry to whoever it was for my failing memory) suggested to dump Dry Malt extract in favor of the liquid gold. It's made an enormous difference in my beers head retention. Further to that I started using The Liquid Wheat Malt and that's the bomb at least for me with the head issue. Works a treat. Depending on the style of beer I'll also add some Malto D in there as well. I've just done a couple of Pale Ales which had beeeeautiful white foamy heads which remained to the last drop. I've just put 2 x 24 liter volume FV's of Pseudo Lagers (Nott Yeast @15) in the fridge to ferment one with dry malt extract and one with the Liquid Gold. So it's a side by side comparison I'm guessing. I'm looking forward to seeing if there's a huge difference between the two re; head retention. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Time to try something different, not my comments below but agree with most of it, it is actually not bad - I am glad I am not driving anymore today !! Cheers. Brewery: Zytho Brewing in Sydney, NSW Style: IPA ABV: 5.4% Pour: Light golden colour with a big fluffy white head. Little bit of hop bitterness on this one. A slightly maltier flavour and one of the more enjoyable beers in their range. Elements of old school west coast IPA along with hints of pine and resin hop bitterness. A pretty in offensive IPA that is ok as a fridge filler and to have a couple of on a Sunday evening before a long work week ahead while waiting for the Chinese takeaway you ordered to show up. Goes well with sweet and sour chicken. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red devil 44 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 6:45 PM, Graubart said: Will ring them first to make sure it is there... the little village seems to be off the Main Trunk Road for deliveries and things can take a while to appear : | Came back from town too late to get to the PO will make a spesh trip @Norris! Norris and retrieve asap ; ) (thank you ) Will be a good chance to pop into the little Bakery and fetch a pie and some nice apple n custard strudel ; ) It would arrive by horse & cart out there in the boonies wouldn’t it @Graubart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Micky Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mickep said: 4 hours ago, Graubart said: Use liquid malt instead of dry malt... and try using Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt... and I think if you do one Coopers Ale Kit - plus one can of Coopers Liquid Malt... no more dry malts etc... think it will still be under 5%.... @Shamus O'Sean Shamus can you direct Barra to where that lovely ian's spreadsheet is that you can forecast ABV from - mine is not the latest... Just checked on my old spready and that suggests if you use one Coopers Kit plus One Coopers Liquid Malt Can you will hit 4.3% in the bottle... Yeah and then try using the headmaster glasses or similar with the scoriations in the base of the glass... GB, oh great one. You've just shot a bullseye mate. I forget who it was but way back someone (Sorry to whoever it was for my failing memory) suggested to dump Dry Malt extract in favor of the liquid gold. It's made an enormous difference in my beers head retention. Further to that I started using The Liquid Wheat Malt and that's the bomb at least for me with the head issue. Works a treat. Depending on the style of beer I'll also add some Malto D in there as well. I've just done a couple of Pale Ales which had beeeeautiful white foamy heads which remained to the last drop. I've just put 2 x 24 liter volume FV's of Pseudo Lagers (Nott Yeast @15) in the fridge to ferment one with dry malt extract and one with the Liquid Gold. So it's a side by side comparison I'm guessing. I'm looking forward to seeing if there's a huge difference between the two re; head retention. Maybe a tad too much head. Edited May 6, 2021 by Mickep 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Barramullafella said: tips to go for extra malt LIQUID malt... dry just doesn't cut it IMHO but there are many ways to the top of the mountain ; ) And if you really want to chase creamy mouthfeel, head and head retention... then use Coopers Liquid Wheat Malt Extract... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mickep said: Sorry to whoever it was for my failing memory I suspect it may have been that dreaded Bearded Burbler ?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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