ozdevil Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, John E Miller said: Bought a six pack mix pack at Dan Murphy's today, mostly beer styles I've brewed but never actually tried commercial versions of! Today was Kolsch. Tasted like mine so I'm happy to have hit the mark hmmm you need to do some hand washing with those classes having co2 sticking to the sides is the sign of a dirty glass... mate bit of pbw in some hotwater with a chucks cloth and a bottle bottle brush if you need to how water rinse and then a bit of sanitiser alow to drip dry on a tea tea towel or towl then you will have the carb firing on all cylinders trying to eascape but gets trapped to the nice head you will have but totally upto you how you like your glasses love alot of coloniel beers in which some bottleshops will not sell it due to it being offensive to indigenous people still they make a nice drop Edited February 28, 2021 by ozdevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 9 hours ago, ozdevil said: hmmm you need to do some hand washing with those classes having co2 sticking to the sides is the sign of a dirty glass... mate bit of pbw in some hotwater with a chucks cloth and a bottle bottle brush if you need to how water rinse and then a bit of sanitiser alow to drip dry on a tea tea towel or towl then you will have the carb firing on all cylinders trying to eascape but gets trapped to the nice head you will have but totally upto you how you like your glasses love alot of coloniel beers in which some bottleshops will not sell it due to it being offensive to indigenous people still they make a nice drop Cool, thanks for the heads up. I had no idea that's why the bubbles were on the side of the glass. It doesn't usually happen, I thought this beer was just extra effervescent. I must have been lazy last time I cleaned the glass. PC backlash over the name made me want to support the brewery even more! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) On 2/28/2021 at 8:05 PM, John E Miller said: Today was Kolsch. Colonial's beer looks to have very big bubbles... interesting... probably not particularly full bodied then John? Mmm guess might be right for lighter style... will have to wait till I have a crack at a Kölsch meself I guess... but suspect that the Brewer won't do 4.8% at Graubartigebräu if history is anything to go by Edited March 2, 2021 by Graubart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Graubart said: Colonial's beer looks to have very big bubbles... interesting... probably not particularly full bodied then John? It's probably a dirty(ish) glass. Edit: I now see this has already been addressed. Edited March 2, 2021 by Hairy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, Hairy said: It could be a dirty(ish) glass. Thanks Hairy - and @ozdevil Oz does mention that above to @John E Miller re bubbles on side of glass... so maybe is just an artefact of that phenomenon I do think - and I may be completely wrong - happy to be corrected - that some of the brews I did in the past more from KnK and dry malt - had bigger bubbles more so than the AG brews I have done more recently - which seemed to be able to develop quite a nice fine bead and tiny bubbles in the head... which may then relate to more creamy mouthfeel? And then the Nitro beergas bubbles are tinier again with the Nitro influence... or so it seems? All part of the great exploratory beer journey... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Graubart said: Colonial's beer looks to have very big bubbles... interesting... probably not particularly full bodied then John? Mmm guess might be right for lighter style... will have to wait till I have a crack at a Kölsch meself I guess... but suspect that the Brewer won't do 4.8% at Graubartigebräu if history is anything to go by Yeah, pretty light bodied but still a bit of sweetness there. I think Kolsch is supposed to attenuate pretty low. You'll go bigger ABV you reckon GB? Edited March 2, 2021 by John E Miller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Graubart said: I do think - and I may be completely wrong - happy to be corrected - that some of the brews I did in the past more from KnK and dry malt - had bigger bubbles more so than the AG brews I have done more recently - which seemed to be able to develop quite a nice fine bead and tiny bubbles in the head... which may then relate to more creamy mouthfeel? I reckon I've found this too. My AG beers have a finer bead. I don't like a beer that's too "bubbly" like lemonade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, John E Miller said: I reckon I've found this too. My AG beers have a finer bead. I don't like a beer that's too "bubbly" like lemonade Cheers JEM yeah I don't really think it is a matter of the partial pressure (or being too bubbly) of the CO2 in solution i.e. higher pressure or not... but more so the interaction of the solution qualities with the gas emerging... well yeah I guess also with Nitro Beergas it also will be the type of gas in solution as well. But just in the CO2 world... I think it has a whole lot to do with the solution quality i.e. the body of the beer and the types of compounds in solution e.g. some proteins that may still be in solution that then contribute to mouthfeel, head and head retention. And I think that the finer bubbles and finer bead are related to the experience to be had from the beer... So Lemonade and Soda Water - have nil 'body'... and have big bubbles. 2 hours ago, John E Miller said: You'll go bigger ABV you reckon GB? Well it's not really just the ABV for me... it's more about the whole beer package that seems to be delivered with higher ABV... so you can achieve higher ABVs with Saisons and Enzymes etc... but that is not what I am in the game for... I am keener on what happens with ABV when you brew a big beer... so the beer is full bodied... and then the ABV just goes along for the ride... so therefore as I probably am wanton to applying a fair bit of Malt in the mash... and the added expense of a cuppla extra kilos is not prohibitive from 25kg bags... so I just throw a bit more in. But that does result in beer that you don't want to be driving home after a few and a designated driver or a kind lift is required. Edited March 2, 2021 by Graubart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchBastard Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Thought I’d treat myself this afternoon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, MitchBastard said: Thought I’d treat myself this afternoon. That's one hell of a head, I have always enjoyed Belgium Beers, such a variety available. I am moving into clones lately albeit extract/partial/hop additive etc, but I suppose eventually I will take the big step into AG. I need to asses the equipment I would need & also what I have on hand to continue the journey. Enjoy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchBastard Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It certainly had decent foam retention @CLASSIC thats The beauty of bottle conditioned beers in champagne bottles. Super fine bubbles and pushing the limits of carbonation. Probably close to 3.5 vols of C02. you can get away with AG reasonably cheap..... $120 40L urn off eBay and a grain bag and you’re away. You don’t need a re circ system or pump to make AG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 hours ago, MitchBastard said: You don’t need a re circ system or pump to make AG Agree Mitchie... and would be keen to hear if anyone really thinks that the re-circ pumping is that fkkkkn great... I haven't done any real controlled comparisons but am not convinced at this stage after having done quite a few All Grainers with both circ and non-circ... I am sorta thinking that the pumping makes far call difference... but there may be situations with different grist-water ratios and possibly even grain bills... where it could be useful... I just dunno and would be happy to hear from anyone who might know? And @CLASSIC also maybe consider CPB Cheeky Peak Wodonga Nano system - and get a decent sized SS Vessel with heating element and inkbird temp controller and a SS Mesh Basket... bit easier to get them in and out of the SS Vat - don't need a false floor either - but note that it can be still quite heavy lifting a hot mash grain basket out - some of our guys/and me (some of the time) use a simple pulley system - but you need to be able to hook that up into the ceiling/roof. Freight is a killer for all internet buying of bigger/heavier goods - but you might be able to get a LHBS to bring the gear in - charge same as CPB with them acting as a wholesaler - and you avoid the freight... I did that earlier on mate... @MitchBastard Suspect Mitchie is right tho that cost wise Crown Urn Concealed Element and Bag will be less costly. And you could always run a Tea Party w the fkkker if you get bored with brewing (sorry couldn't resist the pisstake on the Crown Urn Brewers but no harm intended ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 hours ago, MitchBastard said: you can get away with AG reasonably cheap..... Or @CLASSIC go straight to the top and get yourself one of these? Tri Clover Edition 230L 3V Double Tip NANO Brewery? But you might need to build a shed to put it in? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, Graubart said: Agree Mitchie... and would be keen to hear if anyone really thinks that the re-circ pumping is that fkkkkn great... I haven't done any real controlled comparisons but am not convinced at this stage after having done quite a few All Grainers with both circ and non-circ... I am sorta thinking that the pumping makes far call difference... but there may be situations with different grist-water ratios and possibly even grain bills... where it could be useful... I just dunno and would be happy to hear from anyone who might know? And @CLASSIC also maybe consider CPB Cheeky Peak Wodonga Nano system - and get a decent sized SS Vessel with heating element and inkbird temp controller and a SS Mesh Basket... bit easier to get them in and out of the SS Vat - don't need a false floor either - but note that it can be still quite heavy lifting a hot mash grain basket out - some of our guys/and me (some of the time) use a simple pulley system - but you need to be able to hook that up into the ceiling/roof. Freight is a killer for all internet buying of bigger/heavier goods - but you might be able to get a LHBS to bring the gear in - charge same as CPB with them acting as a wholesaler - and you avoid the freight... I did that earlier on mate... @MitchBastard Suspect Mitchie is right tho that cost wise Crown Urn Concealed Element and Bag will be less costly. And you could always run a Tea Party w the fkkker if you get bored with brewing (sorry couldn't resist the pisstake on the Crown Urn Brewers but no harm intended ) as these guys mention re-circulating or having recirclating pump isnt as important as many people make it out to be BIAB brewers do not need to do this as the grain bag should hold all grain and your not using a false bottom like a Grainfather or brezilla/robobrew or guten why many brewers do it that have recirc arms on the all in one vessels is for clarity and getting all the finer grain out whats in suspension under the false bottom. This is not say you wont benifit from this with biab as you certainly still get benifit from clarity this way and you definately do not need a pump to do that , pump just makes life easier all you need to do is draw the wort from your spigot/tap into a Jug and then pour it back over the grain and just simply do this until ya happy Many think its expensive to get into A.G but 9/10 most of us already have equipment in the home to already do it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ozdevil said: Many think its expensive to get into A.G but 9/10 most of us already have equipment in the home to already do it Probs easier tho to have a reasonable Urn and Bag -- or -- SS Vessel and Basket -- rather than having to do in already owned Pots and Pans... which works fine for Partials tho yep... Hoppy Days are quoting a 40L Urn w concealed element at $295 and Beer Co at $369.95 (incl freight)... I reckon if yer can cop the bit extra, that the CPB base set of Stainless Steel Basket, 36L SS Vessel and fittings as well as a Bluetooth Inky... is a pretty good start... esp if you can get your local LHBS to bring it in as agent and knock the freight out... and the SS Vessel will last forever and if the heating element shitttts itself you get a new and better version... and or use Gas to boost... Can you replace element on a Crown Urn? Or the controller on a Grainfarter or Robozilla as easy as getting another inkbird? I respect that the Guten Bad-un Grainmother and Robozillas do have their place and advantages tho... and probs have better brewhouse efficiency than my bucket brewing system. Many and varied ways to the top of the Mountain I guess. [And I don't work for CPB just am throwing up another option to consider] I better stop blithering and get on with organising the second rise of Bread Making 1 X 36L NANO Brewery 304SS Tri Clover Triple Base Vessel 1 X 300 Micron 304SS Mesh Basket with 70mm 304SS Drop Down Hooks 1 X 304SS 100mm Thermowell 1 X WiFi Heat & Cool Temperature Controller (Can be used on fermentation fridge) 1 X 304SS QuickSeal 3 Piece Ball Valve Set 2 X 304SS Kettle Plug Set 1 X 2200w 2" Tri-clamp Element Set Edited March 4, 2021 by Graubart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Graubart said: Probs easier tho to have a reasonable Urn and Bag -- or -- SS Vessel and Basket -- rather than having to do in already owned Pots and Pans... which works fine for Partials tho yep... Hoppy Days are quoting a 40L Urn w concealed element at $295 and Beer Co at $369.95 (incl freight)... I reckon if yer can cop the bit extra, that the CPB base set of Stainless Steel Basket, 36L SS Vessel and fittings as well as a Bluetooth Inky... is a pretty good start... esp if you can get your local LHBS to bring it in as agent and knock the freight out... and the SS Vessel will last forever and if the heating element shitttts itself you get a new and better version... and or use Gas to boost... Can you replace element on a Crown Urn? Or the controller on a Grainfarter or Robozilla as easy as getting another inkbird? I respect that the Guten Bad-un Grainmother and Robozillas do have their place and advantages tho... and probs have better brewhouse efficiency than my bucket brewing system. Many and varied ways to the top of the Mountain I guess. [And I don't work for CPB just am throwing up another option to consider] 1 X 36L NANO Brewery 304SS Tri Clover Triple Base Vessel 1 X 300 Micron 304SS Mesh Basket with 70mm 304SS Drop Down Hooks 1 X 304SS 100mm Thermowell 1 X WiFi Heat & Cool Temperature Controller (Can be used on fermentation fridge) 1 X 304SS QuickSeal 3 Piece Ball Valve Set 2 X 304SS Kettle Plug Set 1 X 2200w 2" Tri-clamp Element Set dont get me wrong as i totally agree with you however my point is a 20l pot you could easily still do a 15litre A.g and its not really costing to much to start out to see whether you like doing A.G biab style. i would hate to spend a fortune on something i wasnt enjoying for whatever reason at the price your saying for the nano from hoppy days or beerco ones you might as well look at the 35l Digiboil thats 160 bucks. or if ya handy try and score a 50l keg or even try and score 2 cut out the top drill a 1/2inch hole for ya spigot and another for heating element a great way to start A.G more then one way to skin a cat in brewing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Graubart said: Or @CLASSIC go straight to the top and get yourself one of these? Tri Clover Edition 230L 3V Double Tip NANO Brewery? But you might need to build a shed to put it in? Looks great but probably out of my reach as well as space, however I can go window shopping ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzza Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, CLASSIC said: Looks great but probably out of my reach as well as space, however I can go window shopping ! That was more of a poor attempt at a joke... reckon window shop on this one mate... noting the above that @ozdevil Ozzy has nicely mentioned for consideration regarding Urn and Brewbag... which might be good to keep costs down on entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Graubart said: That was more of a poor attempt at a joke... reckon window shop on this one mate... noting the above that @ozdevil Ozzy has nicely mentioned for consideration regarding Urn and Brewbag... which might be good to keep costs down on entry. That was more of a poor attempt at a joke... I understand, I will have to browse through the systems, I have 3-4 LHBS all in reach of my address so I can compare. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchBastard Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Chiming in here in regards to the re circ pump. Definitely not necessary however it does come in handy when chilling wort. I use my pump to pump wort through the centre of my chiller that’s submerged in ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I have some Country Brewer 'WAl'S PALE ALE chilling in the fridge 3 weeks in the bottle, early I know, evidence of good carb, so in the meantime just bought a 4 pack x 500ml from Liquor Land, hard to believe 2 litres of beer for $10.00 ! I was buying 3 x 660ml bottles for $10.00 but the cans beat the value. Rather buy beer in glass but I always pour in a glass anyway. 'Prost' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 First crack at Wal's Pale Ale from Country Brewer, almost 3 weeks in the bottle, I did this to compare with Coopers Pale Ale, so far winning, but time will tell. I am impressed at the closeness to the actual recipe. Nice freshness & hop bite. Cheers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 First time trying a commercial saison. Very interesting 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Dark lager. Not a big fan of this. A bit plain? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Miller Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Another dark lager: this was a cracker. Nice roasted barley flavour. Complex and deep, with subtle lager character. I'd get this again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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