ozdevil Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 hours ago, stquinto said: Bad luck for my latest brew: after all the effort I was rewarded with an OG of 1.030 I suspect I hadn’t done an appropriate mill of the grains, was worried about a stuck sparge… In the end I chucked in 650g of LDM and 100g of Dextrose. Might get lucky but the recipe will be a bit off @stquinto it may have nothing to do with the milling mate when you recieved your G40 did you allow for the dead space in the unit eg my 35l brewzilla has a dead space of 6.5litres and the deadspace of my 65l brewzilla is 11.5l for eg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tone boy said: I want to be like you when I grow up Lol Brew 2 is on Recipe: APA Brewer: Grumpy Style: American Pale Ale Recipe Specifications -------------------------- Batch Size (fermenter): 21.00 L Estimated OG: 1.055 SG Estimated Color: 9.8 EBC Estimated IBU: 63.9 IBUs Ingredients: ------------ Amt Name Type # %/IBU Volume 3.00 kg Pale Malt, Galaxy (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 1 57.7 % 1.96 L 1.00 kg Munich, Light (Joe White) (17.7 EBC) Grain 2 19.2 % 0.65 L 1.00 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (5.9 EBC) Grain 3 19.2 % 0.65 L 0.20 kg Carapils (Briess) (3.0 EBC) Grain 4 3.8 % 0.13 L 5.00 ml Centennial Hop Extract [48.80 %] (CO2 Extract) - Hop 5 23.8 IBUs - 30.00 g Enigma [16.50 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 90 Hop 6 16.1 IBUs - 30.00 g Mosaic (HBC 369) [14.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20 Hop 7 13.8 IBUs - 20.00 g Galaxy [15.70 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 90 Hop 8 10.2 IBUs - 1.0 pkg Voss Kveik Ale Yeast (Lallemand #- ) [50.28 ml] Yeast 9 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Tone boy said: I want to be like you when I grow up Do you really ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Classic Brewing Co said: Do you really ? Look, I don't recommend it really 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 hours ago, ozdevil said: @stquinto it may have nothing to do with the milling mate when you recieved your G40 did you allow for the dead space in the unit eg my 35l brewzilla has a dead space of 6.5litres and the deadspace of my 65l brewzilla is 11.5l for eg @ozdevil cheers mate, but what’s the dead space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Man Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 hours ago, disgruntled said: Lol Brew 2 is on Recipe: APA Brewer: Grumpy Style: American Pale Ale Recipe Specifications -------------------------- Batch Size (fermenter): 21.00 L Estimated OG: 1.055 SG Estimated Color: 9.8 EBC Estimated IBU: 63.9 IBUs Ingredients: ------------ Amt Name Type # %/IBU Volume 3.00 kg Pale Malt, Galaxy (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 1 57.7 % 1.96 L 1.00 kg Munich, Light (Joe White) (17.7 EBC) Grain 2 19.2 % 0.65 L 1.00 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (5.9 EBC) Grain 3 19.2 % 0.65 L 0.20 kg Carapils (Briess) (3.0 EBC) Grain 4 3.8 % 0.13 L 5.00 ml Centennial Hop Extract [48.80 %] (CO2 Extract) - Hop 5 23.8 IBUs - 30.00 g Enigma [16.50 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 90 Hop 6 16.1 IBUs - 30.00 g Mosaic (HBC 369) [14.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20 Hop 7 13.8 IBUs - 20.00 g Galaxy [15.70 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 90 Hop 8 10.2 IBUs - 1.0 pkg Voss Kveik Ale Yeast (Lallemand #- ) [50.28 ml] Yeast 9 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice tame one for you fella 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Pale Man said: Nice tame one for you fella Need some beers, and quick, and heavy. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 1:49 PM, ozdevil said: more like i want a beer biscuit I used to dump spent grain outside, the younger dog got into it but it makes him... ummm. urgent. Shat in the house and then bronzed up. FFS. Never again is the young fella eating spent grain 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 8 hours ago, ozdevil said: @stquinto it may have nothing to do with the milling mate when you recieved your G40 did you allow for the dead space in the unit eg my 35l brewzilla has a dead space of 6.5litres and the deadspace of my 65l brewzilla is 11.5l for eg Just looked it up Oz mate. Haven't found details of how to compensate. I sent in a message on the Grainfather site, will see what they say. Good job I started on a straightforward brew - origianlly I wanted to get straight into a high-volume Belgian with a step mash... glad I didn't One takeaway on this is to start the brew day in the morning - I started at 1PM and wasn't finished until 7, without counting the clean, which took me an hour this morning. In my line of work it's the equivalent of doing a major network change on a Friday afternoon and hoping for the best for the weekend 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, stquinto said: Just looked it up Oz mate. Haven't found details of how to compensate. I sent in a message on the Grainfather site, will see what they say. Good job I started on a straightforward brew - origianlly I wanted to get straight into a high-volume Belgian with a step mash... glad I didn't One takeaway on this is to start the brew day in the morning - I started at 1PM and wasn't finished until 7, without counting the clean, which took me an hour this morning. In my line of work it's the equivalent of doing a major network change on a Friday afternoon and hoping for the best for the weekend @stquinto what software are you using ? also what grain/water ration are you using if doing it manually as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, ozdevil said: @stquinto what software are you using ? also what grain/water ration are you using if doing it manually as well I used the Grainfather for this brew, and found a Tim Taylor Landlord recipe on it. It used 4.25kg Golden Promise and 0.500g of Dark Malt. I had to add and extra 2 - 3 litres to the mash as there was no liquid above the grain: it seemed to have absorbed it all. So instead of 18l mash water I used about 20, and to compensate I used 16l of sparge instead of 17. I ended up with 24l, which was 1 litre overshoot. I wouldn't have though that would account for the drop in OG. So 36 litres for 4.75kg grain. After adding the extra 750g of fermentables I ended up with an OG of 1.042. I must admit I'm surprised about using pretty much equal amount of mash and sparge water. Still ,early day in this latest rabbit hole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, stquinto said: I used the Grainfather for this brew, and found a Tim Taylor Landlord recipe on it. It used 4.25kg Golden Promise and 0.500g of Dark Malt. I had to add and extra 2 - 3 litres to the mash as there was no liquid above the grain: it seemed to have absorbed it all. So instead of 18l mash water I used about 20, and to compensate I used 16l of sparge instead of 17. I ended up with 24l, which was 1 litre overshoot. I wouldn't have though that would account for the drop in OG. So 36 litres for 4.75kg grain. After adding the extra 750g of fermentables I ended up with an OG of 1.042. I must admit I'm surprised about using pretty much equal amount of mash and sparge water. Still ,early day in this latest rabbit hole 2-3l of water to 1kg of grain approx so to work out your strike waterStrike water volume = weight of grain * desired mash thickness eg lets take your grain there of 4.25kg of grain to .500 dark malt combine this is 4.750kg strike water = 4.75kgx3l strike water 14.25l if for example your deadspace is 6 litres you add this to your your total strike water eg 14.25l of strike water + 6l of deadspace 20.25l of water needed for your mash The above equations are approximate only and is not the correct deadspace for the g40 Edited February 21, 2022 by ozdevil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, ozdevil said: 2-3l of water to 1kg of grain approx so to work out your strike waterStrike water volume = weight of grain * desired mash thickness eg lets take your grain there of 4.25kg of grain to .500 dark malt combine this is 4.750kg strike water = 4.75kgx3l strike water 14.25l if for example your deadspace is 6 litres you add this to your your total strike water eg 14.25l of strike water + 6l of deadspace 20.25l of water needed for your mash The above equations are approximate only and is not the correct deadspace for the g40 Cheers @ozdevil mate ! Will look closer into it for the next brew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, stquinto said: Cheers @ozdevil mate ! Will look closer into it for the next brew. Jeez Stquinta, just buy a can of extract & pour it in & add water, be easier. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Classic Brewing Co said: Jeez Stquinta, just buy a can of extract & pour it in & add water, be easier. You've got a point Phil mate ! I still have a few cans left over. I've got the makings of a RoM from a cuppla months back . Summer Berry Sour or something like that. Fancy making it so it'll be just ready for our summer (4 months to go). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, stquinto said: You've got a point Phil mate ! I still have a few cans left over. I've got the makings of a RoM from a cuppla months back . Summer Berry Sour or something like that. Fancy making it so it'll be just ready for our summer (4 months to go). Yeah there is nothing wrong with a well made extract beer with a bit of help with additives but at the end of the day everyone will choose a path that suits them. However you can still stuff up anything if you don't do it proper like Our Summer is nearing an end, not that we really had one but I need to think about Stouts & stuff now, you know, nuts for may. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Classic Brewing Co said: eah there is nothing wrong with a well made extract beer with a bit of help with additives Dead right Phil. I came back to keg of Fair Drinkum I kegged about 6 months back. Clear as crystal. No way would you think it was HB. Some fabulous recipes Coopers come up with, hats off to them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Recipe: Saasion Brewer: Grumpy Style: Saison TYPE: All Grain Recipe Specifications -------------------------- Batch Size (fermenter): 21.00 L Estimated OG: 1.056 SG Estimated Color: 9.1 EBC Estimated IBU: 38.3 IBUs Ingredients: ------------ Amt Name Type # %/IBU Volume 3.00 kg Pale Malt, Galaxy (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 1 60.0 % 1.96 L 1.00 kg Munich, Light (Joe White) (17.7 EBC) Grain 2 20.0 % 0.65 L 1.00 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 3 20.0 % 0.65 L 5.00 ml Centennial Hop Extract [48.80 %] (CO2 Extract) - Hop 4 23.7 IBUs - 20.00 g Cashmere [8.50 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 9 Hop 5 5.5 IBUs - 20.00 g Idaho Gem [14.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, Hop 6 9.1 IBUs - 1.0 pkg Farmhouse (Lallemand/Danstar #-) Yeast 7 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Itinerant Peasant Quote LalBrew Farmhouse is a non-diastatic hybrid (meaning it can break down longer-chained carbohydrates) that has been selected to make saison-style and farmhouse style beers (dry saisons but without the pungent sulfurous smell). 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussiekraut Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 hours ago, stquinto said: I used the Grainfather for this brew, and found a Tim Taylor Landlord recipe on it. It used 4.25kg Golden Promise and 0.500g of Dark Malt. I had to add and extra 2 - 3 litres to the mash as there was no liquid above the grain: it seemed to have absorbed it all. So instead of 18l mash water I used about 20, and to compensate I used 16l of sparge instead of 17. I ended up with 24l, which was 1 litre overshoot. I wouldn't have though that would account for the drop in OG. So 36 litres for 4.75kg grain. After adding the extra 750g of fermentables I ended up with an OG of 1.042. I must admit I'm surprised about using pretty much equal amount of mash and sparge water. Still ,early day in this latest rabbit hole It takes a while to work out things. For a bog standard brew, I usually do a 25 mash and 8l sparge. Grain absorption is about 600ml/kg, so at 5kg leaves me with 30l pre-boil volume. Boiloff is 4l/hr, so I end up with 26l of which 21-22 make it into the FV, depending on how good my whirlpool is. If I do a longer boil or use more or less than 5kg grain, I adjust things accordingly. This usually works pretty well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 hours ago, stquinto said: Dead right Phil. I came back to keg of Fair Drinkum I kegged about 6 months back. Clear as crystal. No way would you think it was HB. Some fabulous recipes Coopers come up with, hats off to them I totally agree, the thing is I have never kegged before so I wouldn't know if beer stores better in kegs or bottles, I imagine there wouldn't be a lot of difference if they are stored correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussiekraut Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 7:16 AM, stquinto said: Bad luck for my latest brew: after all the effort I was rewarded with an OG of 1.030 I suspect I hadn’t done an appropriate mill of the grains, was worried about a stuck sparge… In the end I chucked in 650g of LDM and 100g of Dextrose. Might get lucky but the recipe will be a bit off How quick is that counter flow chiller? I've been toying with the idea for a while. My 15m immersion chiller takes about 30-35 minutes in summer and around 25 in Winter to get to < 25C. Anything quicker with less water usage would be a good thing. Although I run the water from the chiller directly into the pool, so it isn't wasted as such but I'd rather use less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stquinto Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Aussiekraut said: How quick is that counter flow chiller? I've been toying with the idea for a while. My 15m immersion chiller takes about 30-35 minutes in summer and around 25 in Winter to get to < 25C. Anything quicker with less water usage would be a good thing. Although I run the water from the chiller directly into the pool, so it isn't wasted as such but I'd rather use less. I think it took about 30 minutes or so. TBH I didn't find it was great compared to my old coil that I used to put in the brew. Quite right about the waste of water, though. I did fill my sparging kettle (my old brew kettle.... a bit of recycling as I pointed out to SWMBO...) with the hot wter that came out to use as cleaning water. Otherwise it is a crying shame to drain it off, even if where I am water isn't scarce. I think I could probably have done with playing around with it more but like a kid on Christmas day I wanted to get stuck in. I'd picked it up on Saturday and did my first brew on Sunday. I could have done a dry (wet) run, checking boil off volumes etxc, I just did a boil to clean any stuff off from the factory. I can only really do AG brews on a weekend. I would do myself a favour by prepping everything the day before, and setting the delay function so the mash water is ready for 6AM on Saturday and get stuck in. That'll keep me off the grog on Friday night 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmar92 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Aussiekraut said: How quick is that counter flow chiller? I've been toying with the idea for a while. My 15m immersion chiller takes about 30-35 minutes in summer and around 25 in Winter to get to < 25C. Anything quicker with less water usage would be a good thing. Although I run the water from the chiller directly into the pool, so it isn't wasted as such but I'd rather use less. @Aussiekraut I have a brand new counter flow chiller sitting here that I haven't had a chance to try as yet. I am a believer in the saying that you only get what you pay for, so I do not hold high hopes for it but I thought that I would give it a shot. I will also put the waste water into my pool so it will only go to semi-waste! I think that @ozdevil had the same unit as mine before he upgraded to a more expensive unit, he may have a comment on how well the cheap model worked for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussiekraut Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 54 minutes ago, stquinto said: I think it took about 30 minutes or so. TBH I didn't find it was great compared to my old coil that I used to put in the brew. Quite right about the waste of water, though. I did fill my sparging kettle (my old brew kettle.... a bit of recycling as I pointed out to SWMBO...) with the hot wter that came out to use as cleaning water. Otherwise it is a crying shame to drain it off, even if where I am water isn't scarce. I think I could probably have done with playing around with it more but like a kid on Christmas day I wanted to get stuck in. I'd picked it up on Saturday and did my first brew on Sunday. I could have done a dry (wet) run, checking boil off volumes etxc, I just did a boil to clean any stuff off from the factory. I can only really do AG brews on a weekend. I would do myself a favour by prepping everything the day before, and setting the delay function so the mash water is ready for 6AM on Saturday and get stuck in. That'll keep me off the grog on Friday night I hear ya mate. I didn't mess about wit things, I got stuck in. The first batch was a bit of a pleasant surprise as it wasn't half bad but it took me some time to figure out a few things. I started off trying to do full batch mashes and it just doesn't work properly. 33l of water, the volume of the malt tube and 5kg of grain bring the liquid levels right up to the brim on a 40l system. THat's when I figured out less water for the mash and a decent sparge isn't a bad idea . I tend to do double batches on brew day, simply because it gives me a weekend off every other week. So I fill up the kettle the day before, which also gives the chlorine a chance to evaporate and mill the grain for the first batch as well. Sunday I get up at six, fire up the machine and program the batch (no fancy shmancy WiFi for me) as I need it. I usually finish somewhere between 3 and 4 in the arvo, depending on the beer. I have to mill my grains outside, because SWMBO is a coeliac and I don't think the neighbours will appreciate me using a power drill out on the patio on Sunday morning at 6. They have enough to cope with when I blast some black or death metal after 9 I need it as it relaxes me and the beer seems to be better with the right music playing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, kmar92 said: @Aussiekraut I have a brand new counter flow chiller sitting here that I haven't had a chance to try as yet. I am a believer in the saying that you only get what you pay for, so I do not hold high hopes for it but I thought that I would give it a shot. I will also put the waste water into my pool so it will only go to semi-waste! I think that @ozdevil had the same unit as mine before he upgraded to a more expensive unit, he may have a comment on how well the cheap model worked for him. the cheap kegland work fines kmar said i had and still have the it , but i would add better clamps, and will not take high pressure but if you get a valve tap you can regulate the flow of the water i am still yet to try my new wort chiller out and will not get to until i get back from tassie the kegland cheapies will get the wort temp down pretty quick in my opinion due to the copper immersion chillers are ok but take to long to get the temps down 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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