ozdevil Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 if you are going to Purchase a new pressure fermenter and you choice was 1 of the following what are choosing and why? 1 kegland All-Rounder 2. Keg King 30l apollo snub Nose fermenter P.S Not interested in SS fermenters anyone suggesting will need to send me all their homebrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminal2k Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I would pick the keg king, not based on any specific stuff I've heard of either product, but because of some of the stuff I've come across online about kegland., I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBooz2 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 @ozdevil OK, well I don't have any suggestions for you then, other than, get stuffed! Ya not getting my home-brew... ha ha 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malter White Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, terminal2k said: I would pick the keg king, not based on any specific stuff I've heard of either product, but because of some of the stuff I've come across online about kegland., I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Anything derogatory written online about Kegland might well have been written by a Keg King stooge. I believe there's a bit of a Hatfields and McCoys feud going on between these two companies. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_G Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The Apollo snub nosed hands down. We stopped selling the Kegland fermenters at the LHDS I work at as we had loads of problems with them. Not the all rounder specifically just the other Kegland pressure fermenters. So I suppose they are "same same but different" but I would still go the Apollo snub nosed. Also the 60 litre one is good value if you want to do larger brews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmar92 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I have a Kegland All Rounder and I am not impressed by it: a little hit and miss getting a good pressure seal, sometimes it is fine sometimes not. When it seals well it works fine. The Kegking Apollo looks good, it has a few nice features that the KL model does not have. It is also Australian made but more expensive. @ozdevil you probably know that I am not a fan of PET pressure fermenters, I have 2, an All Rounder and a Fermzilla Conical and I have used both quite a bit. I find that the biggest drawback is that the PET does not have enough rigidity to achieve good pressure seals all the time and so they are a bit hit and miss and require constant fiddling around with to get them to seal. I am not going to give you my solution, 'cause you are not getting my beer. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_G Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, kmar92 said: with to get them to seal. I am not going to give you my solution The solution is usually plenty of lube on the seal and thread. Unless you have a different method. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, kmar92 said: you are not getting my beer. Don't give him any, he can make his own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmar92 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Marty_G said: The solution is usually plenty of lube on the seal and thread. Unless you have a different method. Yes I always used plenty of lube on the seals and threads, still had a few times that the seal was not good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Some interesting stuff @terminal2k i am aware of your thoughts as well as the findings you have found on the web and i believe it's a tit for tat argument due to owners going their own separate ways and i think there is good and bad with both companies@iBooz2 mate i knew you would answer SS fv (dont worry i am considering that in the future) @kmar92 yes i know your solution and that is to go the ss fv and I do thankyou for view @Marty_G Thankyou , but not looking to go 60 litres at the moment even though i have the capability of brewing to around 55litres Now Guys I am very familiar with the Pet Pressure fermenting and while i do pressure ferment i have never had issues with my Fermzilla 27l and i dont do much high end pressure ferment most i go is around 10 psi I also own a 35litre Snub nose and i tend to use this alot as its perfect for my kegerator and will fit in my fermenting fridge Thoughts are leading to the 30litre apollo snub nose ferment as i like having the thermowell and i no longer have to attach a stubbie holder with gaffer tap to the fermenter The reason why i didnt want stainless steel is becuase of the equipment i will have sitting in the brew while it ferments that require either bluetooth or wifi those are a tilt (bluetooth only) and 2 Pills from Kegland which are wifi connected. The thickness of the 30 litre stainless fermenter like @iBooz2 58l fermenter transmitting wifi or blue tooth through the walls of stainless plus a fridge door to either a bluetooth device or a wifi router may not work where as i know the PET fermenters do work on bluetooth and wifi The jury is out on the stainless for that reason and i may be able to use a powreline adapter to make the wifi signal stronger so the pills will recieve a wifi signal well i thank you all part from telling what i already knew about the mishaps with kegland and keg king 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBooz2 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marty_G said: The solution is usually plenty of lube on the seal and thread. Unless you have a different method. @Marty_G , yes that's what they (you tuber's etc.) told us all in the start but I found that to be pretty much all frog sheet. I only used lube a couple of times and it was a PITA to clean off before/making things sanitary again and it did not solve the problems if they where there (as Kmar92 says hit and miss). I now use ZIP, ZERO lube except for a very, very light finger smear to protect the "O" rings themselves as I do on my keg post "O" rings. The solution was to replace the original crap undersized, not fit for purpose "O" rings and seals with better ones. I posted this somewhere ages back and it resulted in solving the few issues I had very early on with my Fermzilla 27 L. Now not a problem every time I use it so all good. Edited February 2, 2022 by iBooz2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmar92 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 That is interesting @iBooz2 regarding the "O" rings, I did use the newer "O" rings that were recommended by KL, and I didn't measure them, but they were probably a thicker cross section than the originals but I still had intermittent sealing problems. As I said I put it down to PET not being a rigid material so it will deform with fluctuations with temperature, pressure etc and then "O" rings will not seal 100%. I probably had a success rate getting a good seal of greater than 95% but that 5% failure would always bit me on the behind! An old boatbuilding acquaintance of mine that had spent his most of his working life building timber boats told me "that nothing seals like steel". I reckon that nothing seals like stainless steel in a pressure vessel, especially with tri-clover fittings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminal2k Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, MUZZY said: Anything derogatory written online about Kegland might well have been written by a Keg King stooge 2 hours ago, ozdevil said: i am aware of your thoughts as well as the findings you have found on the web and i believe it's a tit for tat argument due to owners going their own separate ways and i think there is good and bad with both companies The choice in the original post was pick 1 or pick 2 and why. I've just heard fewer negative things about Keg King. Honestly, I'd avoid both companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 @ozdevil, Apollo for me. I do not have one, but I have a 35L Fermenter King Snub Nose. Apollo is similar, but allegedly better. Why: Apollo has a conical bottom instead of spherical. Concentrates the yeast. You can probably get a few more mls of beer out. Apollo comes with the pressure gear standard. I think you have to buy the posts and floating dip tube separately with the All Rounder. Apollo is Australian made 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_G Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I know you did not want a SS option but these fellas are perfect. This is my small FV. It is 25litres and does one keg perfectly. No issues with sealing and can ferment 23 litres under pressure no problems. If you hunt around on Marketplace of Gumtree should be able to get on pretty easily. The opening is huge and you will have no problem cleaning it. Obviously it is a keg, just buy a gas dip tube, put a floating dip tube on it to replace the exist out tube and bingo a SS FV for less than an Apollo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Micky Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 15 hours ago, MUZZY said: 16 hours ago, terminal2k said: I would pick the keg king, not based on any specific stuff I've heard of either product, but because of some of the stuff I've come across online about kegland., I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Anything derogatory written online about Kegland might well have been written by a Keg King stooge. I believe there's a bit of a Hatfields and McCoys feud going on between these two companies. Care to elaborate @terminal2k. I've used Kegland quite a few times now and they've been rippers at least for me....I'd be interested to hear what you've read about them. Those review pages are sus in my opinion. I think Muzzy's probably closer to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminal2k Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Mickep said: Care to elaborate I honestly don't remember any specifics. I'm not in the market and for any of that kind of equipment and won't be for a while so I didn't commit it to memory. I do recall complaints about products and their designs, and some issues with service and product availability. This is across a few forums and other places online. My favourite tho was another forum deleting a bunch of negative comments because they were a sponsor there. I place as much emphasis on good service, honesty and integrity as I do to the actual products. It's one reason I love coopers. They've been amazing to deal with in multiple interactions. Not every product of theirs has been perfect, but they've always tried to help out when theres been an issue, even if it wasn't their fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I have used Kegland a few times without issue, everything was smooth, uncomplicated & delivered, they get my vote, I also know a few LBHS owners/companies who stock their products proudly & not only use them but sell them, What you read on the Internet is BS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Haven't had a problem with kegland or keg king really. Only had one issue with keg king once when I bought my robobrew many years ago now. It came with a big dent which was not fault of them and I brought it up to them. They asked me to push it out which I did but it didn't push out completely. Anyway they offered 40 bucks off which i thought was kind of laughable on what was then a 500 dollar item. They must have offered me the money what it would have cost them to return post it and send a new one. Anyway I rejected that and got a new one so ended up well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, Greenyinthewestofsydney said: Haven't had a problem with kegland or keg king really. Only had one issue with keg king once when I bought my robobrew many years ago now. It came with a big dent which was not fault of them and I brought it up to them. They asked me to push it out which I did but it didn't push out completely. Anyway they offered 40 bucks off which i thought was kind of laughable on what was then a 500 dollar item. They must have offered me the money what it would have cost them to return post it and send a new one. Anyway I rejected that and got a new one so ended up well. It was my understanding that Kegland are manufacturers & wholesalers/retailers & Kegking is a different entity, also a retailer, although it seems they were once affiliated. But then Kegland stocks Kegkings products & charge more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBooz2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Marty_G said: @Marty_G What breed of FV steed are these please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, iBooz2 said: @Marty_G What breed of FV steed are these please? They are actually Kegs https://www.homebrewworks.com.au/product/25l-ss-cornelius-style-keg/ but Marty_G uses them as a fV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBooz2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozdevil said: They are actually Kegs https://www.homebrewworks.com.au/product/25l-ss-cornelius-style-keg/ but Marty_G uses them as a fV Thanks OzDevil, very much appreciated. BTW I think our mate Marty now owes you all his home brew on a/c mentioning an SSFV does he not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Marty_G said: I know you did not want a SS option but these fellas are perfect. This is my small FV. It is 25litres and does one keg perfectly. No issues with sealing and can ferment 23 litres under pressure no problems. If you hunt around on Marketplace of Gumtree should be able to get on pretty easily. The opening is huge and you will have no problem cleaning it. Obviously it is a keg, just buy a gas dip tube, put a floating dip tube on it to replace the exist out tube and bingo a SS FV for less than an Apollo. Marty I am considering SS but later on down the track i think at this stage i am thinking snub nose apollo from keg king as i have its couse the 35l snub nose and i often prefer this then the fermzilla But i will consider this or the 30 litrte kegmentors in the smaller version of Ibooz2's 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdevil Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, iBooz2 said: BTW I think our mate Marty now owes you all his home brew on a/c mentioning an SSFV does he not? Yep i reckon @Marty_G does, He didnt read the fine print to well lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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