The Captain!! Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Otto Von Blotto said: It's not a necessary step, because the boil will denature the enzymes anyway, but I still do it mainly out of habit but also because the wort does appear to drain more easily when it's heated above standard mash temperature. Do you think this makes for better efficiency? Captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I have only done one batch without a mash out that I can remember and I'm pretty sure the efficiency did drop a bit. Hardly compelling evidence but it's something to think about I guess. I suppose it is reasonable that if the wort drains more easily then you'll extract more of it and the sugar from the grains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 That’s what my thoughts were Kelsey. Not sure I need to do it but interesting enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Thanks guys for answering Worthogs question while I was at work. Spot on there Kelsey. I run propane set up and scorched the grain the first all-grain brew I ever did. So I life grains out when applying heat. I find mash out and sparge works well for me for consistent and higher efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenf Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I use a Grainfather Connect - so step mashing and stuff is all part of it! I BeerSmith and the Grainfather app. I also have Palmers books (the science stuff) i actually like the creating and craft of it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Hey guys Found this guy operating out in the hills https://ibrewsa.com Looks like they are just starting up. I am seeing some good prices on hops. Very interested in getting an order from there. Thoughts? Cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1kg cascade for $45. Unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I'm thinking of putting an order in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 Well planning the next brew a Neipa style have been busy setting up a brew fridge with a upright freezer I brought all done tested etc calibrated .Made a stand for the robobrew and a pulley setup to pull out the malt pipe just to make things easy. Was going to do the brew fridge out of a glass display fridge I have but that can stay for stock cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I’m caught in a mash (boom, boom, boom, boom) I can mash out.. Because, I love you too much baby-y-y Why can’t you see (boom, boom, boom, boom) Why you boil for me.. Coz I need those hop additions play-i-i-ing We can’t brew on forever With extract-ious mi-inds.. We can brew All-Grain together All of the ti-i-i-ime…….. Apologies to Elvis the Pelvis. First mash batch. Tastes great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 First All grain? Great news. Glad it tastes great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Looks good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Well done on the first AG beer. And now you’re caught in a trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Truthfully I'll still produce Kits+Partial Mash for the forsee able future, because; A) my current equipment struggles to mash more than 3.5kg of grain, and B) given I can't model AG recipes, there are great kit bases to start all the particular beer styles I like. I have noticed a fresher beer, even with partial mashes on top of the pre-bittered kits. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Good stuff mate. You could theoretically mash more grain in that 30 litre pot, but then you'd have to run the wort into another bigger pot, sparge the grains and run that off as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, Worthog said: Truthfully I'll still produce Kits+Partial Mash for the forsee able future, because; A) my current equipment struggles to mash more than 3.5kg of grain, and B) given I can't model AG recipes, there are great kit bases to start all the particular beer styles I like. I have noticed a fresher beer, even with partial mashes on top of the pre-bittered kits. Cheers I made partial mash beers for a while, generally using Coopers kits. I found this easy to do on the stove with minimal equipment. I made some great beers with this method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 @Worthog how big is your pot? I bought one second hand that I thought was 40L. Turns out it is 33L! I have worked out a system to get 22.9L cubes out of my small pot. Mash in about 21-22L water. Sparge the grain bag (BIAB) and top kettle to 30L. Yep, that's only 1.2cm headroom! Still works out fine and had only one boil over. Works well for me so I put a ball valve in it and it's my system now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 21 hours ago, joolbag said: @Worthog how big is your pot? I bought one second hand that I thought was 40L. Turns out it is 33L! I have worked out a system to get 22.9L cubes out of my small pot... Hi Jools, My pot is 30L. When I mash 5kg grain I initially fill it to 20L. After final boil, etc, I end up with 12L of wort, top up FV to 22L for an OG of 1.046. When I do a PM of 3.5kg grain I have filled it to 17L to end up with 12L of wort, add a Coopers Kit 1.7kg, top FV to 23L for an OG of 1.048. I have boil over problems with the 5kg mash, my pot is just too full. There are ways around this but a 5kg mash is too much frigging around. Currently I don't sparge, but I think I will start sparging the BIAB into a second pot, boil a bit, then and add later to my main boil to get my final volume of wort up and hence my final OG. I will then have cooling problems, though, until I get an immersion coil. As I said earlier though, I am currently happy exploring PM+Kit as there are a lot of wonderful beer types out there to try while I am still learning. Eventually, I'll probably buy a Crown Urn; I have begun building my urn slush fund, already . Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Sounds like you have it dialled in worthog. I did some partial mash beers before I got my big pot and was very happy with the result. That all grain freshness really came through, more so than a kits and steep. I was doing partial mash, boiling and topping up with DME. I realized that my brew days were as long as an all grain brew! And the DME was pretty expensive too. Big pot and bulk sacks of grain and I'm brewing better and cheaper than ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschemad911 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Worthog, can I suggest making smaller batch sizes? There's no rule that you have to make 23 litres of a given beer! Just figure out how much grain and strike water you would need to hit the right pre-boil SG at a volume that will lead to your desired OG at the end of the boil. If you're interested I have a spreadsheet that will take care of all that. I have a 21 litre kettle and target a pre-boil volume of 16.5 litres in my recipes. After boil-off and leaving trub behind I target around 11 litres in my fermenter. I do have a 38 litre mash tun so can push the gravity fairly comfortably. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 Hi guys as I am new to all grain has anyone got any idea's of grain types for a recipe similar to this. It is a coopers one that I have used many times and varied the hops and loved it . I would love to try a all grain similar base but wouldn't have a clue to quanity/% of each obvious wheat will be one but what would I use to produce the other . The recipe is this Trappist Coaster Belgian IPA any help would be greatly appreciated thanks Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 11:15 PM, porschemad911 said: Worthog, can I suggest making smaller batch sizes? There's no rule that you have to make 23 litres of a given beer! Just figure out how much grain and strike water you would need to hit the right pre-boil SG at a volume that will lead to your desired OG at the end of the boil. If you're interested I have a spreadsheet that will take care of all that. I have a 21 litre kettle and target a pre-boil volume of 16.5 litres in my recipes. After boil-off and leaving trub behind I target around 11 litres in my fermenter. I do have a 38 litre mash tun so can push the gravity fairly comfortably. Cheers, John Hi Porschemad911, My main reason for 23L is to maintain the production volume I need to maintain my stocks, and continue to drink 6 week old beer. If I want to make a very high OG beer then I would reduce the wort volume; and my personal consumption. Currently I am getting away with my process with an after boil 12L. I think I can sparge a bit extra wort pre-boil if necessary or cheat it up with LDM. I haven't done either of those things to date. You have previously sent me a copy of your spreadsheet, "brew_calc_biab", but some of the input requirements are things I don't know at this point. You are right though, I can change my end volume for a specific OG. If I want a specific OG, I can adjust the final FV fill by taking a series of SG checks on the way up. My beer brewing doesn't need to too be overly specified right now though. Thanks for your help and advice. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 17 hours ago, therealthing691 said: Hi guys as I am new to all grain has anyone got any idea's of grain types for a recipe similar to this. It is a coopers one that I have used many times and varied the hops and loved it . I would love to try a all grain similar base but wouldn't have a clue to quanity/% of each obvious wheat will be one but what would I use to produce the other . The recipe is this Trappist Coaster Belgian IPA any help would be greatly appreciated thanks Brian If the guys on here can't advise you of AG bill, here is a kit recipe Trappist Coaster Belgian IPA for ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Worthog said: If the guys on here can't advise you of AG bill, here is a kit recipe Trappist Coaster Belgian IPA for ideas. Thanks Worthog butI have done that recipe I think 4 times twice coopers recipe and 2 more times different hops and loved all of them as I am on the last week of 2 weeks off I have been lookin at a few grains and recipes today to try do a all grain similar but who Knows this is what I came up with I just want a few layers of taste .1 x Weyermann - Carared .1 x Briess - Midnight Wheat 1.5 x Best Malz - Wheat Malt .1 x Best Malz - Melanoidin .2 x Joe White - Cara Malt 1 x Joe White - Export Pilsner 2.5 x Golden Promise .2 x golden naked oats hops will be simcoe for bittering and citra and mosaic for aroma and taste Grain wise any input good or bad would be appreciated cheers Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 Being lets say a red ipa I aren't looking for huge bitterness just flavour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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