Scottie Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 After Nick bumped the OS Lager Challenge thread I thought I would post this. There always seem to be plenty of members here looking to move onto kits and bits and I reckon that he Australian Pale Ale can is the best platform. As I said in my APA never fails thread this Can is foolproof. So here is "one of my top 3 best ever kit brews" . Styx River Pale 1.7kg Coopers Australian Pale Ale 1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract 150g Pale Crystal (80EBC) 100g LDM Galaxy 15g @ 15 minutes Willamette 15g @ 15 minutes Galaxy 20g @ 8 minutes Willamette 15g @ 8 minutes Galaxy 10g @ 0 minutes Willamette 15g @ 0 minutes The boiled wort (3 litres) was rested for 30 minutes before straining into the FV atop the Can & Extract. Coopers re-cultured yeast pitched at 18'C, fermented at 18'C. In the FV for 15 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH21 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 That sounds pretty nice Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 After Nick bumped the OS Lager Challenge thread I thought I would post this. There always seem to be plenty of members here looking to move onto kits and bits and I reckon that he Australian Pale Ale can is the best platform. As I said in my APA never fails thread this Can is foolproof. So here is my "my best ever kit brew" . Styx River Pale 1.7kg Coopers Australian Pale Ale 1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract 150g Pale Crystal (80EBC) 100g LDM Galaxy 15g @ 15 minutes Willamette 15g @ 15 minutes Galaxy 20g @ 8 minutes Willamette 15g @ 8 minutes Galaxy 10g @ 0 minutes Willamette 15g @ 0 minutes The boiled wort (3 litres) was rested for 30 minutes before straining into the FV atop the Can & Extract. Coopers re-cultured yeast pitched at 18'C, fermented at 18'C. In the FV for 15 days. Your Stella IPA was a winner, so i'd better have a go at the Styx river APA. You are dead right about the APA, Coopers have many great kits, but the APA is is the cream of the crop, just in front of the EB and IPA. As far as the my best recipe, i dont think you can beat the simplicity of an APA with 500gm of LDM, dry hopped to the sihthouse with Cascade. Simple, quick and cheap, and giving them a good nudge is not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I've only really ever brewed APAs as in American pale ales. This recipe from my brew day thread is definitely my best recipe. It is an all grain one but I'm sure it could be quite easily converted to extract. 5.3kg JW Traditional Ale Malt .25kg Munich I malt .25kg Wheat malt .20kg Caramalt 75 min boil Hops 20g Cascade added as a FWH addition 10g Super Galena @ 60 mins. 20g Cascade @ 20 mins. 20g Willamette @ 10 mins. \xbd Whirlfloc @ 10 mins. 10g Cascade @ 5 mins. Also will dry hop with 25-30g Cascade on day 4 or 5 of ferment. US-05 yeast, ferment at 18C. You could probably sub a couple of tins of LME for the ale malt. The Munich isn't really necessary - it was only added because I was trying to use up ingredients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree with Nick regarding the Cascade. I have used this kit with lots of different hops but you can't beat cascade; heaps of cascade. I have even made a partial mash beer with the APA kit and just hopped it with cascade [love] Simple but tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree with Nick regarding the Cascade. I have used this kit with lots of different hops but you can't beat cascade; heaps of cascade. The first chapter in my soon to be released book "Nick's guide to very average brewing" says, the worse the kit the more cascade[lol] . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I concur. APA, LDM and cascade for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I agree with Nick regarding the Cascade. I have used this kit with lots of different hops but you can't beat cascade; heaps of cascade. The first chapter in my soon to be released book "Nick's guide to very average brewing" says, the worse the kit the more cascade[lol] . I have just ordered a truckload for when I do the OS Lager kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 I did not realise that we had so many single hoppers around here, is there a best beer using Cascade thread looming?[whistling . Another one of "one of my top 3 best ever kit brews" also using the Pale Ale kit ([surprised [surprised) was my Little Creatures Pale Ale (almost) clone. It uses 50g of Cascade & 25g of Citra and for about 7 months was rated as my best brew ever. I have said that I have closed the door on K&K, and Kits and Bits brewing, but if Hairy would be so kind as to share his partial mash recipe, the one that is hopped to the high heavens with Cascade; then I would love to have a crack at it. It would be my first partial Hairy and therefore some fairly prescriptive instructions would be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I did not realise that we had so many single hoppers around here I went through a stage where I did a heap of single hopped beer. It gives you a good idea of what the hops are like. if Hairy would be so kind as to share his partial mash recipe' date=' the one that is hopped to the high heavens with Cascade; then I would love to have a crack at it.[/quote'] I will look for it when I get home. That one is in Beersmith which I don't use anymore but I think I still have access to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatSthAussie Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I love the APA and upon renewing my love of home brewing, proceeded to knock out mega lires of it..Only problem is now that I have been initiated to the world of Hops, I find it plain Jane[roll] One of my favourites is the Fruit Salad Ale with an addition of Cara Munich Grain to kick of the wort. My other favourite APA as follows.. 1.7 Coopers APA 375g Dex 375g LDME 250g MaltoDex 2 litre boil 15g Nelson Savin Steeped 15min 15g Cascade Steeped 10min 23 Litre Kit Yeast @ 20deg Dry Hop ( Chux ) 30g Cascade. Ferment 18 - 20 deg The visitors don't see this one... [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH21 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 As an absolute novice, I am finding my way with hops I just bottled a Galaxy only IPA Coopers Kit and I just started a galaxy & cascade Coopers APA I gotta agree with Hairy here about getting to understand your hopping - you can't do it with a kaleidoscope at the beginning. You need to start with some basics that only your own nose can teach you, and then build from there... But it doesn't hurt to cheat and get a good start from the legends on this website I agree with Nick regarding the Cascade. I have used this kit with lots of different hops but you can't beat cascade; heaps of cascade. I have even made a partial mash beer with the APA kit and just hopped it with cascade [love] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 1.7Kg OS Draught kit 1Kg DME 200g Dex (optional) 25g Cascade (dry hop) 21-23L US-05 or Kit yeast This is tried and true. Very easy and makes an early drinking, refreshing PA.[cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hi guys. I thought this thread deserved a *Bump*. I enjoyed reading through all of the posts. [joyful] If Scottie inferred using the Coopers Aus Pale Ale kit as a base, I'm cool with that as a starting point. [cool] I have a tin of it on the brew shelf atm (amongst many other ingredients), & am contemplating what I might add to it & brew with it in the next couple of weeks. I originally wrote, "I have a tin of it on the brew shelf atm (amongst many other ingredients), & am contemplating what I might do to it..", & then realised Hairy would read this & take the mickey out of me on that statement, so I changed it! [lol] He's everywhere, he's everywhere! [lol] Anyways, I've got a few cool hops left over from single hop brews that I brewed to simply learn about their characteristics, that might get a throw at the APA kit. The interesting hops I have on hand & am considering are Sorachi Ace, Riwaka, Falconer's Flight, Mt. Hood, & Vic's Secret. I'd be interested in any ideas from those that may have used any of this group of hops. I have just ordered a truckload for when I do the OS Lager kit. Nice to see you still working on O.S. Lager kit recipes after you won the "O.S Lager Challenge" Hairy! [biggrin] Cheers, Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I have one idea of what you could do with it [lol] I haven't tried any of the hops you mentioned but I just bought a four pack of Feral Golden Ace tonight and is now in the fridge. I will report back tomorrow on the commercial beer using Sorachi Ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I only brewed with the APA kit twice, once doing the Ashes Ale from the How to Brew section, and the other doing an amber ale which I didn't particularly like that much. The Ashes Ale was a pretty nice drop from what I recall (a year and a half ago, second brew). My best pale ale (American) recipe is the one that featured in my brew day thread. And I'll come back and edit this post with it when I find it. [lol] Here's the recipe: 5.3kg JW Traditional Ale Malt .25kg Munich I malt .25kg Wheat malt .20kg Caramalt 75 min boil Hops 20g Cascade added as a FWH addition 10g Super Galena @ 60 mins. 20g Cascade @ 20 mins. 20g Willamette @ 10 mins. \xbd Whirlfloc @ 10 mins. 10g Cascade @ 5 mins. 30g Cascade dry hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 And I just realised I already posted that recipe in another post on this thread. Derp. [pinched] It's just THAT good it had to be mentioned twice. [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH1525226084 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Hola I have done a few APA's and also used the APA can. Best with the APA can is the LCPA clone in my signature. But the BEST beer I have made is my ANZAC Pale Ale. Everyone loves that, and I always get asked if I have more. Also made a quick recipe using the APA can, 1kg DME, some crystal (200g) and a little bit of choc malt (100g I think) for colour and a load of Pacific Gem hops. Used the kit yeast to get a bit fruity. It's quite nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Bump for Lindsey, Davitt, RoaldV and Co Cheers Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Fave Pale Ale? Has to be the last one I brewed, which I'm doing again now. Simply 1.7kg Coopers Australian Pale Ale 1kg BE2 (or equivalent) - in my case I use my LHBS's "Ultra Mix" which is 500g malt, 250g dextrose, 250g maltodextrin. Just the usual, fill to 23 (or 24 litres to allow for the liquid absorption of the hops), and the yeast that comes with the can. To that I add 12-15g steeped Cascade - steeped for up to 20 mins, then dry hop with another 12-15g Cascade on day 3. It's supposedly a clone recipe for LCPA, but I actually think it sits somewhere between the Coopers APA and the LCPA - which is a pretty good brew. I've made different styles, I've made more complex beers, and I've done simple K&K, but this one stands out, and is possibly my overall fave of all my home brews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradP4 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Thanks for bumping this one Scottie. I'm interested in Hairy's partial mash recipe referred to above. So Hairy, any chance of sharing that one? Cheers - Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I don't have the exact recipe as I no longer use Beersmith. But it was essentially a slightly tweaked version of the APA listed here: Partial Mash Recipes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradP4 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Thanks Hairy, Some interesting stuff on that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hey Brad That is a great link from Hairy, he shared that with me some time ago and I made a couple of really good beers. It also gives you confidence to expand. If you are thinking of a partial I did a good one last November. Scotties Ashes Ale Coopers APA 1kg Maris Otter 15g Ella at 8 mins 15g Stryrian Goldings at 5 mins 15g Styrians Goldings dry hop day 7 5 g Ella dry hopday 7 1968 London ESB yeast bottled at about 4% Cheers Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Have limited experience in this category. BUT! Did a small batch in my Mr Beer fermenter (8.5 Litres). Got talking to my LHBS chap and talking about styles I like and would like to make/replicate and mentioned I liked James Squires Hop Thief. He then suggested I use 1 can of Coopers Real Ale, no fermenting sugar. I ended up dry-hopping this for the 3rd week with 100 grams of Simcoe pellets. The krausen went ape-shit the first 2 days (spewed out everywhere. was sort of expecting this.). But this didn't affect the brew. The batch stayed in the fermenter for 3 weeks. Bottled it and tried the first one about 1.5 weeks later. Man it was a brutal brew, as you would expect. I wasn't game - it was a really strong, dark, pungent, in your face beer that was a "sipping beer" only. Anyhoo, pulled one out last week and took to work to let the work mates suffer it as well. I was blown away - everyone loved it. It has become quite a refined and mellow beer with great balance and clarrity. I'm now consudering how I can replicate this taste/style in my 30 Litre fermenter...maybe 2 x cans of Coopers Real Ale in 20 Litres dry-hopped again with 100 grams Simcoe. It's a simple brew. But one that was a surprise. Might try this over Xmas. Cheers, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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