Oldbloke Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 T Coopers Devils Half Ruby Porter T Coopers Family Secret Amber I rather prefer malty darkish ales such as Coopers Dark Ale and Kilkenny Just planing on adding 700g of Amber DME plus 100g of corn syrup. I figure this will result in about 4.0% ABV How did you like them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kegory Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 I used the Half Ruby Porter in the Devil's Brew Porter. It turned out pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Oldbloke said: T Coopers Devils Half Ruby Porter T Coopers Family Secret Amber I rather prefer malty darkish ales such as Coopers Dark Ale and Kilkenny Just planing on adding 700g of Amber DME plus 100g of corn syrup. I figure this will result in about 4.0% ABV How did you like them? I have done the Coopers Devils Half Ruby Porter in a few recipes: Toasted Coconut Porter Caribbean Porter Island Toasted Coconut Porter Belgian Chocolate Stout The Coopers Family Secret Amber Ale has been in all the recent Coopers Vintage Ale recipes. I also used it in the Roger Roger Amber Ale. All turned out great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 @Shamus O'Sean thx mate. Ill see if the LHBS has them in stock tomorrow. Im due for a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Oldbloke said: @Shamus O'Sean thx mate. Ill see if the LHBS has them in stock tomorrow. Im due for a change. Actually, I just checked. The Roger Roger Ale does not use the Family Secret Amber. However, I used it in a two-can with Australian Pale Ale, made up to 25 litres for a 4.6% ABV beer. I called it Roger Roger Amber Ale. Subtly different from the Coopers recipe, but close enough. My recipe was: 1.7kg Australian Pale Ale 1.7kg Family Secret Amber Ale 200g Light Dry Malt 25g Topaz Hops (20min steep) 25g Vic Secret Hops (20min steep) 2 x Brew Can Yeasts 25g Topaz Hops dry addition 25g Vic Secret Hops dry addition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 While i was at the LHBS they had this on special. $14.50. So couldnt resist a bargain and grabed a can. But,,, i now see instructions say: 1. add water to only make up to 24PINTS. (14ltrs) OR 2. Add 1kg sugar (ill use LDME) and make 23 litres? Insructions give both options. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Oldbloke said: While i was at the LHBS they had this on special. $14.50. So couldnt resist a bargain and grabed a can. But,,, i now see instructions say: 1. add water to only make up to 24PINTS. (14ltrs) OR 2. Add 1kg sugar (ill use LDME) and make 23 litres? Insructions give both options. What do you think? Without seeing the volume on the can, I would suggest it is a craft can of extract 1.3 litres designed for 13.5litres in the craft fermenter, so adding water to that level will give you a full flavoured beer. Adding 250-500gm of LDME would boost it up a bit. If you stretched it to 23 litres you would have a very low ABV beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) IIRC 1.5kg I was thinking add some LDME and brew to about 18ltrs Edited October 27, 2023 by Oldbloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Oldbloke said: While i was at the LHBS they had this on special. $14.50. So couldnt resist a bargain and grabed a can. But,,, i now see instructions say: 1. add water to only make up to 24PINTS. (14ltrs) OR 2. Add 1kg sugar (ill use LDME) and make 23 litres? Insructions give both options. What do you think? It would probably make a nice Red or Brown Ale. Barley Wine (Barleywine to some) is a high ABV brew. In fact it is rich in most senses of the word. Basically a beer the strength of wine. OG 1.080 - 1.120; FG 1.018 - 1.030; IBU 35 - 70; ABV 8 - 12%. You will not get those numbers with options 1 or 2 as the suggested recipe. More like 1: OG 1.033; ABV 4.1% and 2: OG 1.038 and ABV 5% with 1kg sugar or OG 1.036 and ABV 4.4% with 1kg LDM. If you want it more like Barelywine, brew to 23 litres, and add 1kg LDM, 1kg Sugar/Dextrose and 1.5kg of Amber Liquid Malt for OG 1.074 and ABV 8.3%. The unknown is how much hop bitterness is in the can. My guess is not enough for that ABV. I suggest boiling around 100g of East Kent Golding or Fuggles in 5 litres of water with 500g of LDM for 30 minutes giving an IBU boost of about 25. Also throw another yeast at it. In addition to the brew can yeast add any commercial ale yeast: US-05, S-04, Nottingham, etc. I was also thinking how you go down the path of option 1. However, because it would have to be brewed to around 6 litres to get an ABV of around 8%, the bitterness from the can would be overpowering because it was not diluted enough. The numbers suggest an IBU over 200. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Brewing Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 She's gonna be a big brew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Charlie Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Oldbloke said: While i was at the LHBS they had this on special. $14.50. So couldnt resist a bargain and grabed a can. But,,, i now see instructions say: 1. add water to only make up to 24PINTS. (14ltrs) OR 2. Add 1kg sugar (ill use LDME) and make 23 litres? Insructions give both options. What do you think? I would suggest going with option 1, just so you can see what the original intended brew tastes like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Charlie Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 2:52 PM, Oldbloke said: Coopers Devils Half Ruby Porter Yeah mate, a good can, I will be buying this again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Brewing Co Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Cheap Charlie said: I would suggest going with option 1, just so you can see what the original intended brew tastes like. That's what I would do, after all it is a Craft size can 13.638 litres to be precise, messing with the manufacturer's instructions will not deliver the intended brew. I am sure the info would be on the back of the can. An extra strong beer for the special occasion – drink unchilled to fully appreciate its rich body and flavour. Not a wine but named for its strength, this extra strong beer is perfect for special occasions – serve by the nipOG 1060° to 1064°. Product Details Product Code 80140 Weight (Kg) 1.5kg Brewing Volume (L) 13.6 / 24 pints ABV approx (% vol.) 6.0% Colour Reddish Amber Hop / Key Ingredient Medium Malt Medium to High 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 3:22 PM, Oldbloke said: T Coopers Devils Half Ruby Porter T Coopers Family Secret Amber I've done the Amber a few times but always found it a bit sweet for my tastes. Also, the Devil's Porter, but I steeped the grains badly and it had some off flavors, which have subsided with time, over 12 months in the bottle now, and there are still a few left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Charlie Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Here is the Devil's half ruby porter, albeit I added it to a full 5kg AG mash. It came out at 6%. Not too bad - a very nice morning tea drink whilst doing a brew on this fine Saturday Morning! Next time I will just do the brew as a basic K&K to see how it turns out. Definitely worth a trip to the LHBS imo if you like the style of beer photo came out a little wishy washy for some reason, the brew is quite dark actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 hours ago, DavidM said: I've done the Amber a few times but always found it a bit sweet for my tastes. Also, the Devil's Porter, but I steeped the grains badly and it had some off flavors, which have subsided with time, over 12 months in the bottle now, and there are still a few left. @DavidM thx david i do prefer malty or sweetish. So looking forward to the Secret Amber. Do recall your complete recipe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Cheap Charlie said: Yeah mate, a good can, I will be buying this again. @Cheap Charlie thx. Do you recall was it bitter or sweetish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Charlie Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Oldbloke said: @Cheap Charlie thx. Do you recall was it bitter or sweetish? not bitter nor sweet, a full bodied stout like taste, but not as stoutish as the irish stout kit. Much milder than the Irish stout kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Charlie Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 @Oldbloke I just cracked another to give an approximate appraisal. .. been drinking pils all day whilst brewing, but after those I can say the devil's plus a full mash (no hops, just the kit for bittering) which would probably be equivalent to adding a kilo of ldme produced mild bittering, and if I get what you mean by "sweetish", then yes a little bit more malty/sweeter than the stout. Even comparing to Coopers commercial stout or guinness extra stout, both these kits are a winner imo. In fact I will rush down to the local bottlo soon (at the speed limit) when I am sober enough to lay my hands on both beers to compare. Note, I have only done one brew of each, but next time I'm at the LHBS I will pick up a couple of kits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Oldbloke said: @DavidM thx david i do prefer malty or sweetish. So looking forward to the Secret Amber. Do recall your complete recipe? Sadly No, it's on my backup drive and it's not responding right now, will have to work on it during the week. Will get back to You! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Cheap Charlie said: not bitter nor sweet, a full bodied stout like taste, but not as stoutish as the irish stout kit. Much milder than the Irish stout kit. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 32 minutes ago, DavidM said: Sadly No, it's on my backup drive and it's not responding right now, will have to work on it during the week. Will get back to You! OK. Thx david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbloke Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 Got this going today. Being a KISS bloke....... Brewing to 18 liters Used can yeast only 500g Ale DME 100g ELDME (need to use it up) 100g of corn syrup Hydrometer suggests about 4.2% ABV which suites me. Will report back in about 3 months. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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