Jay Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Hey all, I\u2019m attempting a kind of Stone & Wood Pacific Ale cloneish brew this week. Pieced together from Soundawakes recipe, someone else I can\u2019t remember who, and my own little twist. Does anyone see any problems/improvements with this. Not so much in terms of it being exactly like a S&WPA, more that it is not going to be horrible, badly unbalanced or the methods not right. Cheers Jay 1.5Kg Liquid Malt Extract. 1.5kg Liquid Wheat Extract 500g Light Dried Malt 300g Dextrose 250g Carapils Carafoam 5Litre hop boil with 500g LWE 5g Galaxy@30mins 15g Galaxy@15 mins 15g Galaxy @ 5mins 15g Galaxy @ 0 mins 15g Galaxy dry hopped day 4-5 1 pkt US05 yeast (rehydrated) Made to 21L Method: Heat 5L water to 60-70 degrees. Add 500g LWE Steep Carapils for 30 mins. Take out grains/steep sock. Bring to boil. Do above hop boil. Cool down. Add to FV with other extracts dex etc. Fill to 21L add yeast etc. Expected ABV - 5.5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The only thing I'd do differently is steep the Carapils in plain water then strain that and use the resultant wort as part of the hop boil wort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 ahhh yes.... that would make sense..cheers Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khellendros13 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 If you begin to boil 4L while the grains are steeping in 3L, then strain the grain wort into the 4L, it should end up around 5L after the hop boil is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 cheers guys. It's a shame we can't somehow all try each others best beers eh. Would love to see how good everyone's brews are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 cheers guys. It's a shame we can't somehow all try each others best beers eh. Would love to see how good everyone's brews are. Good onya for having a go at this one Jason I couldn't bring myself to do such a small & short boil. I went halfway between Dyl's and Soundawakes recipe. I have another one down at the minute but I really should go and get the real thing and consider doing it properly. Will be keen to hear how yours goes Jason. +1 re comment on trying each others beers. We can do it by brewing it but that takes a lot of trust. I mean my current Galaxian Pale Ale has been down for 2.3 weeks, hopefully kegging on Saturday, and that's a long time to invest on a brew that you are unsure about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 We can do it by brewing it but that takes a lot of trust. I mean my current Galaxian Pale Ale has been down for 2.3 weeks' date=' hopefully kegging on Saturday, and that's a long time to invest on a brew that you are unsure about.[/quote'] Unless you are brewing a beer for the second time aren't you always unsure how it will turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Unless you are brewing a beer for the second time aren't you always unsure how it will turn out? This is true Hairy This is why I would prefer to start out a tad bitter and pull it back, too bitter I can do 20 litres of but not too sweet [sick] . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilboBaggins Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 +2. That's why I'm struggling to get through this amber ale, which incidentally was my final extract brew before I went AG. It's too sweet, but I'm comforted in the fact that there's only about 10 stubbies left of it. [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH21 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I did a 25 minute boil for the 1st time yesterday. I can't get over the fact that the boil has a personality, and really really REALLY wants to make a mess of your kitchen. Just to undermine you in front of your missus and kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I did a 25 minute boil for the 1st time yesterday. I can't get over the fact that the boil has a personality, and really really REALLY wants to make a mess of your kitchen. Just to undermine you in front of your missus and kids... [lol] And it always waits until you turn your back on it [devil] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilboBaggins Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 +2. That's why I'm struggling to get through this amber ale' date=' which incidentally was my final extract brew before I went AG. It's too sweet, but I'm comforted in the fact that there's only about 10 stubbies left of it. [lol'] These days I'm trying to get more comfortable with tipping beers out if I'm not 100% happy with them. I found myself sitting around, choking down batch #whatever, and longing to drink batch #better, when I just thought, bugger it. Life's too short. I will tip from now on if I am unsatisfied. [cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I definitely thought about it, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I mean, it's not TERRIBLE, but definitely nowhere near as good as the brews I've done since, but I still couldn't tip it for some reason. Maybe because I made it myself, I don't know. But I'm on the home stretch now and I don't have to worry about drinking not so good brews anymore at least for the next few batches as they've all been tasted and have turned out very nicely! [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Life's too short. I will tip from now on if I am unsatisfied. [cool] Phil This is dangerous. I mean all it takes is am absolute cracker, a freak beer if there is such a thing, and a lot of beer is going to flow. Flow down the sink as you try to rekindle an old romance with that magnificent Stone & Wood type Ale that you made, and to make things worse you were drunk when you brewed it and didn't follow the recipe. You have no idea how you made and you have no beer left to drink 'cause you spoiled yourself. [alien] [alien] [alien] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilboBaggins Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hey, I never said I'd actually done it yet. [lol] [lol] [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hi all, what do you guys use as an IBU calculator? For some weird reason I've entered my recipe and method (5L boil) into this calculator http://www.brewersfriend.com/ibu-calculator/ and it comes up as 5.73 total IBU. I was thinking it was going to be around 20-25 like Soundawake stated. Unless I'm being a bit of a twat and entering the info incorrectly? puzzled Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hi all, what do you guys use as an IBU calculator? For some weird reason I've entered my recipe and method (5L boil) into this calculator http://www.brewersfriend.com/ibu-calculator/ and it comes up as 5.73 total IBU. I was thinking it was going to be around 20-25 like Soundawake stated. Unless I'm being a bit of a twat and entering the info incorrectly? puzzled Jay When you change the boil volume, it changes the boil gravity to some ridiculous number. It is a bit weiird. You get less utilisation at higher gravities. For Kits and Extract brews, I use IanH's Beer Designer spreadsheet from AHB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yeah I just had a muck about with it, reckons for a 5 litre boil with a target OG of 1055 that the boil gravity is 1231 or some stupid number. [lol] I adjusted the OG to 1009 to get the boil gravity to 1041, added those hops assuming 13% AA and it came out about 22 IBU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 thanks guys... So using the boil gravity outcome, do I then use that to work out how much extract I need in my 5 litre boil? From what I've worked out, that would be about 600g DME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Normally the ratio is 100g malt extract per litre of water to give a gravity of about 1040. There is a difference when using liquid malt but it's not much. I always used dry malt in mine anyway because it was easier to measure and less messy. If you've got the wort from the carapils as well then maybe put a bit less dry malt in it. That's where the spreadsheet Hairy mentioned comes in handy - it will calculate how much DME or LME to use based on the boil volume and any grains that may be steeped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 cheers guys, getting me head around it now....will check out that spreadsheet too ta j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH21 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I bought a case of the S&W Pacific Ale 2 weeks ago I really like the nose, but the taste/mouthfeel could really do with a bang more bite it did grow on me a bit, but for my palate it needs much more in your face bitterness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Yeh, I know what you mean, I was drinking it last night on tap which I was pretty chuffed about. And I was pondering it a bit. I like the lightness to it, even though its pretty hoppy, you can sink a few without getting sick of them like I do with a lot of Pale Ales. Nice summer beer methinks. Bit of extra bitterness might be quite nice though eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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