King Ruddager Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Winter's on its way, so it's time to start thinking stout why not. Actually ... it's probably already too late but I actually nearly ran out of beer recently and had to go on a brewing bonanza with no time to plan ahead. So, from what I understand the usual recipe for Toucan Stout is ... 1.7kg Coopers OS Stout kit 1.7kg Coopers OS Dark Ale kit 1kg dextrose Now, I don't want to be flat on my face after drinking just one of these bad boys so I think I'll swap out the 1kg dex for 500g light DME. Any foreseeable problems with DME instead of dex? Next, I've still got some leftover chocolate grains so they're going in. I think it's about 200-250g worth. Is that too much? Finally, let's make this an oatmeal stout while we're at it. I've read that, in order to do this, the oatmeal needs to be mashed. I don't have the means to do that, so this poses a problem. Can I just used home brand rolled oats? Do you think I could get away with steeping them at 70? Would it need to be steeped for longer than usual? Should I steep the oats first, then remove them and steep the chocolate grain? I'll finish it off with fuggles I reckon. The oatmeal is my main concern, so any advice would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hi there KR, the toucan with OS Stout and Dark ale is pretty much my house stout. I never add anything else and its great as is. The ABV is still around 5%. Try it without dex or LME and see how you go. you can always add it to later batches if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hmmm, that's a good suggestion, is it ok for body and head without anything extra? The grains and oats I'm planning on adding should help with that anyway I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Rolled oats shouldn't be steeped. They need to be mashed with a base malt. I would just leave them out. Steeping 250 grams of chocolate malt, and using 500 grams of light dry malt along with the two kits will make an awesome brew with plenty of body. Not sure I would bother adding any hops to it. How about yeast? Pitching the two kits yeasts will turn out good, but the Coopers commercial yeast also works very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I think Nick is right in the money with his suggestion of the stout and dark kits as all you need in this brew. The chocolate malt could be fun but not neccesary. From personal experience I think you should leave out the oats until you have some base malt to mash with. Make sure to use both yeast packets. Also remember to age this one for 6 months or more before the final judgement of the brew.[rightful] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 is it ok for body and head without anything extra? Personally i reckon its a good solid beer as is, but you may have different tastes or expectations. Head retention is good early,but will improve with age, as will that creamy smoothness as Chad has pointed out. I dont know how it would taste after 6 months as nothing lasts that long with me, but after 3 months its a bloody nice drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainiac Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I always add the dextrose cause with out the extra ABV I can still hear my wife nagging at me. [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I always add the dextrose cause with out the extra ABV I can still hear my wife nagging at me. [biggrin] [lol] [biggrin] [lol] I always add the dex too but as I don't drink more than one per sitting I manage to stay standing [sideways] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 Well, just finished off the Toucan Stout-. One can of OS Stout, one can of OS Dark Ale, fill to 23L, nothing else. Actually after doing a few 10L boils it's quite refreshing to get the whole job done in about 45 minutes. Put the clips on the lid too - looking forward to seeing some volcanic action [cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Oh, for anyone reading, don't bother trying to taste a sample at the beginning [pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Good luck with this. It tastes pretty nice when it's young, but does get a lot better after a few months when the bitterness mellows and the flavors meld a bit better. You can expect to end up with a brew which is about 4.5% - 5%. When carbonating it, remember to use less sugar than you would use normally. [cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 24 hours in and it's almost touching the lid of the DIY FV!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Do you have the KK fitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 Yup. It's mostly collapsed now and didn't quite touch the lid but I had the clips on too, just in case [smile] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Well I bottled this guy yesterday and I can already see why everyone raves about it so much, and I can also see that it will only improve with time. Time? *sigh* Well, let's see how I go with the patience on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainiac Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 The trick is to knock out 3-4 brews as fast as you can so you have something to drink and forget about your dark temptress calling from the cellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yeah I recently made the mistake of running low - it was nearly a disaster but I've been brewing non-stop ever since. Right now I'm back at 85% capacity, which means I have 115 bottles of beer on the wall. It also means that if I start my Porter now I should have enough empties by the time it comes to bottle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RohanM1 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I was just going back through the Recipe Resource and found this thread. This is the same brew I put down yesterday arvo. I'm brewing it for the father inlaw for his birthday in 4 weeks, it'll still be very young, but I think a tasting will be in order for sure. All the rave I've seen about this recipe I have pretty high expectations, just hope it lives up to it... How is yours tasting KR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's showing great promise [smile] I'm doing the wrong thing of course and am having a bottle each week, even from the early stages. Part of this is my usual impatience, but part of me also wants to see how it evolved over time. One thing is for sure - if it ever gets a chance to fully mature it's going to be one hell of a good drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I was just going back through the Recipe Resource and found this thread. This is the same brew I put down yesterday arvo. I'm brewing it for the father inlaw for his birthday in 4 weeks, it'll still be very young, but I think a tasting will be in order for sure. All the rave I've seen about this recipe I have pretty high expectations, just hope it lives up to it... How is yours tasting KR? It'll taste great on his birthday Rohan....next years [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RohanM1 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Yeah that's what I'm worried about Muddy,I'm sure they'll taste great after a few... The more you drink, the better it'll taste... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangBaa Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I put 3 brews down quickly a month ago, and being lucky to have 14 kegs i will leave them for 6 months. Should be awesome ! Oh yeah, kegs naturally conditioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb30 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 after three weeks of reading this toucan best extra stout recipe i can admit i have a problem and have purchased the dark and stout from the coopers online store and am now patiently waiting for my kits to arrive...... question one I have a 60lt fermenter and a 30lt one and wanted to know if the 60 lt one will be too big eg not enough co2 to flush out the air during the ferment thus increasing the chance of infection question two if i use the 30lt and it is in a 15-20 degree area will it go off like most people say it will as id rather use the 30lt as it has a tap and im lazy question three ive just purchased some fuggle hops and wanted to know peoples opinions on hop methods times and ammounts i was thinking maybe 20g - 28g bittering (boil) for 60 mins then add some at the flame off maybe 5-10g for aroma? this forum rocks btw and has kept me up everynight contemplating brews , brews and more brews [devil] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb30 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 and one more thing can anyone shed some light on how long the online store takes to send things and if its by courier or aus post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wal Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 and one more thing can anyone shed some light on how long the online store takes to send things and if its by courier or aus post? I ordered 2 recipe packs on Wed PM last week and they arrived by Aus Post on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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