John Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 The season change is really starting to set in our way. Crisp cool mornings/evenings - Autumn is definitely here with winter around the corner. This has got me thinking (careful folks) about brewing something for the wintery night like a hearty Chocolate Porter, maybe coupled with a citrusy late hop addition(/s) (We get Pacifika/Riwaka/NZ) Cascade here which may be a good fit), maybe something with some speciality grains (i.e. Chocolate grain etc), based on a Coopers Kit (i.e. Darke Ale/ Stout) Does anybody have any suggestions/ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Hi John, How about a toucan stout with some of those NZ hops & chocolate malt steeped (maybe 100-200g). That's a feet up by the fire brew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 You could try a variation of SMOTY Ale, substitute EKG with your own choice of hops. Perhaps, 100g of Roasted Barley/Roasted Malt or 200g of Choc Malt could be added. Grains need to be cracked, steeped, strained then brought to the boil prior to adding to the FV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 5, 2010 Author Share Posted May 5, 2010 Cheers Luke - appreciate your thoughts, however after a couple of those it would be feet up anywhere. [sleeping] My initial concern is that the toucan stout may be too much coffee flavours and too bitter - looking for a more chocolate profile balanced by the citrusy hops.[unsure] Still researching (agonizing?) - will be trying my SMOTY this weekend. Something based on the SMOTY, with 500g Amber DME with some choclate malt (200-300g) and maybe some flaked barley (good head and grainy flavour) and even some cocoa [w00t] thrown in. Still open to suggestions [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 5, 2010 Author Share Posted May 5, 2010 Thanks Paul - your'e too quick on the draw for me.[bandit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 So - here is the proposed recipe for the Double Chocolate Porter. Australian Pale Ale is pretty pricey this way so have used the reserve bench: 1 x can Coopers Orig. Dark Ale 1 x can Coopers Orig. Lager 125g wheat DME (to try to get closer to the Aussie Pale Ale) 150g dark DME 200g Amber DME (for a bit of sweetness) 200g Chocolate Malt Grains (cracked/steeped/strained then brought to boil prior to adding to fermenter) half a cup of baking cocoa (added to steeped grains 5g @ 15min and 10g steeped - NZ Hallertau (6.5%)- 15min 5g @15min and 10g steeped - NZ Motueka (6.5%)- 15min Fianl Volume - 23L use both kit Ale yeasts as well as a half a lager yeast (to approximate Aussie Pale Ale) Estimated OG - 1.059, FG - 1.016, IBU 54 Any advice/changes that would be recommended by the experts here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Just out of curiosity John - How much is the Pale Ale over there? I thought everything was cheaper, frusher and butter over the dutch [tongue] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I find cocoa to be a difficult ingredient to work with. Perhaps, you don't need it for this recipe, considering the amount of other specialty grains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Thanks Paul - will keep the cocoa for the wife's baking. Murray - APA here is around NZ$29-30 for a tin from the HBS - it is not available in the supermarkets yet. Some have started to stock the International series (i.e. Mexican / Euro Lager atm) for NZ$15 so I hope and wait for the APA to follow. Have been nagging the NZ distributor too. Paul - not sure if you got my email nag? At least the NZ hops is cheaper, frusher and butter at the hume brew shup here.(around NZ$3-4 for 50g of hop pellets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Yes, I replied to you and passed it on to the Sales Manager for NZ. [smile] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Cheers Paul - I'll check me home emails tonight[pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Wow that is expensive! I reckon I could send you one for a lot less than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Cheers Muddy No matter what they say about you I still think you are a gentleman.[biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Hi John, Nice recipe. Double the hops I say, the malt can handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 12, 2010 Author Share Posted May 12, 2010 Thanks Luke. I needed to buy 50g minimum qty of each so I've got heaps of frush hops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasM Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Just curious. Would 1 can of dark ale with 1 can of stout in 23 litres of water be as bitter as hell? What's the rule with the two cans together? Wouldn't a can of any coopers can kit with 1.5kg any coopers unhopped malt tins be much more drinkable? I am very interested to know all the two can combinations as the price is better. Thanks Lucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Just curious. Would 1 can of dark ale with 1 can of stout in 23 litres of water be as bitter as hell? What's the rule with the two cans together? Wouldn't a can of any coopers can kit with 1.5kg any coopers unhopped malt tins be much more drinkable? I am very interested to know all the two can combinations as the price is better. Thanks Lucas G'day Lucas, Add 1kg of dextrose to the 2 cans you mentioned to 23L and you will have a very close approximation to the commercial Cooper's Best Extra Stout [joyful] Cheap and easy but tastes fantastic! Certainly not bitter as hell. Highly recommended if you like Coopers Best Extra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewF111 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 I feel stupid asking this question but what is a porter beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 You can find information about beer styles here - BJCP Style Guidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewF111 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Awesome, thanks PB2, wow there is so much info in that document. Given me a lot of brews i'd like to try and make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeB Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 So - here is the proposed recipe for the Double Chocolate Porter. Australian Pale Ale is pretty pricey this way so have used the reserve bench: 1 x can Coopers Orig. Dark Ale 1 x can Coopers Orig. Lager 125g wheat DME (to try to get closer to the Aussie Pale Ale) 150g dark DME 200g Amber DME (for a bit of sweetness) 200g Chocolate Malt Grains (cracked/steeped/strained then brought to boil prior to adding to fermenter) half a cup of baking cocoa (added to steeped grains 5g @ 15min and 10g steeped - NZ Hallertau (6.5%)- 15min 5g @15min and 10g steeped - NZ Motueka (6.5%)- 15min Fianl Volume - 23L use both kit Ale yeasts as well as a half a lager yeast (to approximate Aussie Pale Ale) Estimated OG - 1.059, FG - 1.016, IBU 54 Any advice/changes that would be recommended by the experts here? John, I'd like to try a chocolate porter myself - how did yours turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanI Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Hi all So the suggestion is that cocoa is a bad idea. But what about actually using chocolate? I've been thinking about making a double chocolate porter, something along the lines of below: - 2x 1.5kg cans of Coopers light malt - 200g of light dry malt - 300g chocolate malt - 250g medium crystal - *whatever hops to get IBU to ~20-25 - **whatever yeast (I'm not a yeast snob) - maybe/maybe not some (50g?) dark chocolate when I boil the wort from my specialty grains. - Up to 23L. * As a guide, I use Warrior for bittering (as it is 17.2% alpha acid, so it's cheap), and I've got some Belgian Saaz (I know you're supposed to use English hops, but Porter seems to be more about the malt). ** I'm still relatively new to brewing. I've used kit yeasts, US05 and Danstar Nottingham ale yeast. I haven't noticed any differences. This would results in a ~4.5% beer that should fit the BJCP guidelines for a brown porter: a chocolatey/caramelly malt profile, next to no hop flavour and low/medium bitterness. If anyone has any thoughts on hops, yeast, the use of chocolate, or brewing in general for this one, I'd love to hear them. Cheers, -Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weggl Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Muddy, when did you change you name to "Murray", or is that your real name?[innocent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Muddy' date=' when did you change you name to "Murray", or is that your real name?[innocent'] Muddy Murray Waters?? [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Don't use milk chocolate! I've used cocoa, cooking chocolate and even chocolate topping. However, the best choc stout I make contains no chocolate, only Coopers Stout, Instant Oats and Joe White Chocolate Malt. It's considered by many to be similar (but better) to JS Chocolate porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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