Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 How to make VB 1. get 2 cats 2. give cats lots of water 3. collect cat urine 4. Bottle it with some cO2 5. You have just created VB Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB38 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 That sounds a lot better than VB from what I remember! [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 That sounds a lot better than VB from what I remember! [biggrin] LOL[bandit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanS8 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Aint that the truth ![rightful] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH1525226084 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 You might have to steep some pride of ringwood's in the water before you give it to the cat, cos i heard those hops are used. Also add lots of preservatives to give bad headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 You might have to steep some pride of ringwood's in the water before you give it to the cat, cos i heard those hops are used. Also add lots of preservatives to give bad headache Guess what they actually don't hop with POR they use an ISOHOP which gives POR a bad name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanS8 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 What's an ISOHOP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 What's an ISOHOP ? This rubbish http://www.barthhaaschina.com/uploadfile/2011/04/2011041515470053.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEoin Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I like VB. No, I love VB. That's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 How VB is still in production is almost a total mystery to me. A defiance of both common sense & logic. Sheer marketing bombardment volume is all that has kept that beer alive, combined with a large chunk of the Australian male population currently over the age of 50, who have most likely continued to chain smoke their taste buds to death, & don't know any better. A good beer you want to allow to reach 5-7\xb0C to appreciate its aroma & flavour. Not so with VB. If you are actually game enough to drink one, get that thing bordering on iced up so you can't even taste it! [lol] Very Bad, Vile Bile, Vomit Bucket & all the other connotations. VB. I hope I'm still alive to see the day it's production is discontinued. Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanS8 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hi Wayne, this ISOHOP sounds like bad shite. Is it added to the hops us home brewers buy or is a type of hop ? Sounds like something commercial brewers use. Brendan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 7, 2012 Author Share Posted October 7, 2012 I am pretty sure with Coopers anyhow they pre hop their kits with real pride of ringwood (PB2 could you please clarify this?) I know with their commercial coopers its naturally bittered however that ISOHOP is Hop extract but with added chemicals and its only purpose is for bittering. I only wrote this post because one of my megaswill mates is wanting me to make a VB clone for him I told him the recipe above if he wants to make it himself LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 7, 2012 Author Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hi Wayne, this ISOHOP sounds like bad shite. Is it added to the hops us home brewers buy or is a type of hop ? Sounds like something commercial brewers use. Brendan. Forgot to mention a few breweries do use ISOHOP however the hop pellets or flowers you buy contain no ISOHOP, ISOHOP comes in a syringe and for the commercial brewers in big drums I gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'm not sure about their commercial brews but Coopers do use ISO hop in a least one their hopped malt cans. According to PB2 "The Thomas Coopers Australian Bitter has POR and some ISO hop". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'm not that familiar with the recipe for making VB and I'm not at liberty to speculate (or comment) on process. [whistling Yes, our brews are bittered with PoR hops but we also may dose some of our cans with ISOHOP to bring the level of bitterness up to within specification. ISOHOP (Isomerised Hop Extract) certainly has a place in the commercial brewing world - many fine beer brands contain ISOHOP. [tongue] In my experience, it produces very clean flavours and - the great thing - you know exactly how much to add to get a certain amount of bitterness! Several years ago, I ran 3 separate lager fermentations, with varying bitterness levels, for the purpose of using the brews as a base for Pure Hop Aroma additions, with the intent of matching aroma/flavour profiles of certain commercial beer brands. The brews were nothing more than 2.5kg of light dry malt made to 23litres, dosed with ISOHOP and fermented with lager yeast at 13C. The consultant, over from the UK, made the comment that the brews were too clean, making it extremely difficult to match profiles [roll] Note: The process of boiling real hops is isomerisation. [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 PB2 which cans contain ISOHOP, I read that it has preservatives in it one place i was reading was saying that get a beer that used isohop and get a beer naturally hopped put them both in the sun the isohop beer will not get light strike whereas the naturally hopped beer will get light strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Perhaps it would be worth your time reading material produced by hop experts...here's a good source: BARTH-HAAS Hops act as a preservative. Isohop suffers from light strike. Redihop, Tetrahop and Hexahop are light stable. [sideways] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 I will give it a read there is tonnes of contradictory information on brewing so I will read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Nice, Ive not seen that.. will make some lovely train reading. Tahnks PB2 [cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Perhaps it would be worth your time reading material produced by hop experts...here's a good source: BARTH-HAAS Hops act as a preservative. Isohop suffers from light strike. Redihop, Tetrahop and Hexahop are light stable. [sideways] Thanks PB2,Love a good read if it concerns making great beer.[roll] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 PB2 in the information you have given me I read it twice now but certain types of this extract have light protection -- Light protection for beer with all hydrogenated Iso-extracts --- So there is a kind of ISOHOP that protects beer from light strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne (Captain Yobbo) Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 The PHA's section scared me further they use "Glycol" As a mechanic I deal with Glycol types of Coolant. Just something I am a bit concerned about too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 PB2 in the information you have given me I read it twice now but certain types of this extract have light protection -- Light protection for beer with all hydrogenated Iso-extracts --- So there is a kind of ISOHOP that protects beer from light strike? I believe all beer is susceptible to Light Strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The hydrogenated Iso Hop extracts are: Redihop, Tetrahop and Hexahop. A simple way to pick a beer with Tetra or Hexa: the foam looks shiny, like merangue [wink] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH1525226084 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 This explains even more why the headaches are worse. I particularly love the bit in the data sheet that says Product is not expected to bioaccumulate. As in, we don't really know, but we'll say it won't so we get approval. It's amazing the sh#t that gets put into stuff that we put in or on our bodies. Wayne, Sodium Laureth (or Lauryl) Sulfate is an industrial cleaner similar to the glycol's and that is in even baby soap. That's why the instructions say to keep out of eyes - it'll burn them [devil] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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