MattC10 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Hello all and Happy Friday! I'm planning on starting a new batch of home brew this weekend and bought Cooper's Sodium Percarbonate to sanitize my fermenter. Do you experienced brewers use this? I am a little wary of using such a potent chemical. I appreciate your wisdom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kearnage Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Matt, I use it all the time (I don't count as experienced though!). Sodium percarbonate is also the active ingredient in napisan etc. It breaks down into hydrogen peroxide (the active component) and sodium carbonate (washing soda, also used as a food additive). The Hydrogen peroxide then breaks down to oxygen and water. It's pretty much the safest sanitiser there is, so that's why I use it. Dan PS - If it's Friday I'd better get to work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 So can napisan be used to clean the fermenter and implements then? I have just ran out of black and gold plain bleach (cant find it anywhere at the moment) and ended up going to 'good' old coles for a reduced Coopers sanitizer, $2. Just after alternatives for next time I need to buy a sanitizer and black and gold bleach isn't available. 2 litres of bleach has lasted 10 brews. Value for money. Cheers, Martyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kearnage Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think the fancy ones have numerous other ingredients like perfume and detergent etc that you just don't want in your beer. There is an environmentally friendly brand that seems to have less other bits and pieces, but no full ingredient break down. At the moment I'm sticking to the Coopers one. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I've never used Coopers sanitiser but I can vouch for napisan (or rather Cole's version of napisan). I use the Coles brand soaker - I recommend the one for sensitive skin as it doesn't have the perfumes or dyes. I've used the equivalent from Woolies and didn't find it as effective. This is the one to look for: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I use Coopers Sanitiser at work and bleach at home [wink] - although we say to use 1/2 cup to the FV, 1/4 cup will do the job easily (assuming the FV is free of soiling). Also, I use just the smallest splash of bleach to sanitise the post-mix kegs [cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I have posted this before, but I use the comercial glass cleaner, the one I use is called Saniglas and is a Dominant chemical brand. It is a bit expensive, I buy it in four litre bottles and I am not sure what I paid for the last one, around $40 I think, but you only use a very small amount, it is virtually the detergent and the sanitiser in one. I use boiling water to do the FV, I boil the jug and tip it in as soon as it boils, then I drop the lid on and swish it around a bit,then leave it to steam up and do the whole vessel. a quick rinse with clean water, add the wort and cling wrap and Bob's your uncle....(snip snip and he's your aunty!) Never had a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnV3 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Has anyone used "White King"? I am assuming it needs to be diluted....any ideas? [pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I've used White King before (probably about 100-150ml in the fermentor topped with water). It does the job but I much prefer the nappy soaker I mentioned above. Easy to use, cleans better (IMO [cool] ) and is easily rinsed of without leaving the bleachy scent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnV3 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Thanks Muddy. I'll keep your concern about the left over scent in mind. I'm using it to clean my bottles - I've heard from two different sources that once you've used your bottles 5 or 6 times, throw it in some bleach (silly me I didn't ask the bleach-H2O ratio). I'll give them a good rinse thereafter based on your advice. Thanks again Drinking : Pale Ale[tongue] ; Fermenting: Pale Ale[tongue] , Java-Vanilla-Porter[unsure] , Oatmeal Stout[tongue] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 For bottles just use about a capful of bleach and fill with water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YannickB Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Hello Paul, was just wondering, do you use bleach to sanitize everything (FV, Carboy (if you use one), instruments, bottles)? I normally let my FV soak for some time in dilute bleach and sanitize after that with metabisulphite (I know... metabisulphite is not the best one recommended out there but I'm not allergic to it). I rinse everything thoroughly. I evidently rince everything 5 times more than once after it. Am I overdoing it? I'm a chemist so I know how to get things clean but about "contamination", my biological knowledges are limited. Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnV3 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 ....visited the local HB shop and after some coaxing, he repeated exactly what Muddy said ....napisan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Sodium Met is not recommended it doesn't kill ALL the nasties. I used to have some issues and since I changed to Nappysan + Starsan all problems are gone and the best thing about it is, it works out really good cost wise!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewF111 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I dont have any of the fore mentioned products, I rinsed my equipment with hot water after I bottled my brew, and was just going to use boiling water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Thanks Kearnage , I use the same at the moment so its good to know its pretty safe. I personally have had no problems with it so as they say "when your onto a good thing" Damo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Loving Trent Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I'm new to this site and glad I read this topic as I plan on doing one or two different brews a week, money is tight as we have a 4 month old baby, I bought what I think is an Aldi brand version of napisan called DiSan Plus, does anyone know if this will work as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 It should clean fine but the perfumes may stick to your fermentor. Give it a smell and if it smells "pretty" I recommend not using it - This is why I buy the variety for sentitive skin (no perfumes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonardC2 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I use Five Star products,Their PBW & Star San. The powdered brewer's wash is great for cleaning everything,including the bottles. You can make enough PBW to fill a dunnage/storage container,& soak your newly emptied bottles in it. After a couple of days,the labels will have floated off,& all glue/dirty stuff will be gone or very easy to scrub away with a bottle brush & a dobie. Then,just fill a vinerator half way with star-san,give each bottle a few pumps,& hang'em on a bottle tree till you're ready to bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty A Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'm new to this site and glad I read this topic as I plan on doing one or two different brews a week' date=' money is tight as we have a 4 month old baby, I bought what I think is an Aldi brand version of napisan called DiSan Plus, does anyone know if this will work as well[/quote'] I don't use napisan, I use HomeBrand non scented bleach, about half a cup in the fermenter then fill. It cleans it nicely. I then give it a good rinsing until I can't smell the bleach and then spray with starsan. Works great for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Slightly off topic sorry. I heard recently that Sodium Percarb is soon to be omitted from cleaning products. [pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigsALE Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 All I do is when finished with bottle of previous brew. Wash out the Carboy and Lid with hot water only, no detergent. Turn it upside down to dry. When ready to use it I clean it with Hot water again using only plastic scrub brush for washing up dishes. I then sanitise with Iodophor. It says no rinse but I rinse anyway. http://www.basicsofhomebrewing.com/bohb12iodophor.html I only got back into brewing 6 months ago. I re-used my same plastic carboy that had been sitting in the roof attic for about 12 years when I started again and the same tap and I get no infections. My 2c worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Loving Trent Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 thanks can you use it to sanitise the bottles as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 as I understand it Sodium Per AND sodium Met are great CLEANERS.. Fantastic for removing biodegradable materials. BUT they both need rinsing as most of these products have approx. 30% Sodium Per and the rest being fillers and junk. Therfore not good as sanitisers as such (because of the need for rinsing). Combining these products with a certifiable No Rinse Sanitiser, such as Starsan or the like is the best approach. If you are using bleach etc I suggest you have a listen to this webcast on the brewing network. It's a damn good listen. http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/469 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty A Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I wouldn't use Sodium Met as it doesn't kill all the nasties. Rinsing Sodium Percarbonate is fine as long as you are using the water from the same source as you do your brew. If you are going to fill your fermenter with tap water, it also won't harm your beer if you rinse the fermenter with tap water as you won't be introducing anything other then what you will be doing when filling the fermenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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