Chrystallis Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi Everyone, Out of curiousity, has anyone tried a dark ale-dark ale toucan? I'm considering easy beers to put down for winter. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzacpaul Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Toucan Stout is pretty common (one can dark ale, one can stout), not sure about toucan dark though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hi Chrystallis & welcome to the forum. Oddly enough, the Coopers Dark Ale kit does not mirror it's commercial brother in all areas. It is bittered noticeably higher. I admit I've never understood why actually either. Anyways...using two cans of that kit in conjunction with one another to the 21-23 litre volume would likely produce quite a bitter beer (IMHO). If wanting to produce a higher ABV version of the Dark Ale, I'd suggest perhaps using the Coopers DIY: Coopers Dark Ale recipe that utilizes the lower bittered Pale Ale kit as the base, as this should produce a much more inviting beer. I'd just double up on each of the ingredients except the Dark Liquid Malt Extract. I hope that helps. Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaticSoup Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Another toucan to consider is the SMOTY Ale - http://store.coopers.com.au/recipes/index/view/id/27/ It uses a can of dark and a can of pale. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loch Brewer Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I did a toucan stout + lager years ago. found a few bottles recently (15yo) . Guess what ? They were fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrystallis Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Thanks for the replies guys :) I'm not too interested in higher abv, just wanted something more flavourful than the commercial dark. Thanks for letting me know about the bitterness lusty, I don't want to make something difficult to drink. The SMOTY and the dark ale recipes both look good, I'll go with one of those. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnaman Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Thanks for the replies guys :) I'm not too interested in higher abv' date=' just wanted something more flavourful than the commercial dark. Thanks for letting me know about the bitterness lusty, I don't want to make something difficult to drink. The SMOTY and the dark ale recipes both look good, I'll go with one of those. Cheers[/quote'] G'day Chrystallis, the SMOTY is good, needs time in the bottle, I like Hop Gobbler, made it many times with the original and many other hops English and American, it's one of my have to haves. This one is a winner too, American Brown Ale Experiment, go down to post #5 and Muddy give the recipe, Muddy's Downtown Brown, made to 21 litres. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB2 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 ...Oddly enough' date=' the Coopers Dark Ale kit does not mirror it's commercial brother in all areas. It is bittered noticeably higher. I admit I've never understood why actually either. [img']unsure[/img]...Don't think our commercial Dark Ale was around when OS Dark Ale was added to the range?? This was before I started with Coopers. I think OS Dark Ale simply followed the trend in the Original Series - bitterness increases as the brews get darker. A simple combo, if you don't want to increase the bitterness: 1.7kg Dark Ale Brew Can 1.5 TC Amber Malt Made to 23 litres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Hi PB2. ...Oddly enough' date=' the Coopers Dark Ale kit does not mirror it's commercial brother in all areas. It is bittered noticeably higher. I admit I've never understood why actually either. [img']unsure[/img]...Don't think our commercial Dark Ale was around when OS Dark Ale was added to the range?? This was before I started with Coopers. I think OS Dark Ale simply followed the trend in the Original Series - bitterness increases as the brews get darker. I figured it was one of those, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" scenarios. As a 7 year old In 1977 when the first "Brewer's Own Packs" (Home-brew) were being launched by Coopers, I'm not even sure I knew what beer was. How times have changed! Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacBeers Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm up to my 14th brew, using coopers kits for all of them, with varying amounts of 'extras'. My fav I've tasted so far is Dark Ale + Can of Amber malt extract + 500g LDM + 20g each of Galaxy and Cascade boiled for 10 minutes + dry hop with the same. Once I got around to tasting the first batch I went and made two more in a row! If you can get the Amber can where you shop I'm sure it'd still be great without the hops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzacpaul Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm up to my 14th brew' date=' using coopers kits for all of them, with varying amounts of 'extras'.My fav I've tasted so far is Dark Ale + Can of Amber malt extract + 500g LDM + 20g each of Galaxy and Cascade boiled for 10 minutes + dry hop with the same. Once I got around to tasting the first batch I went and made two more in a row! If you can get the Amber can where you shop I'm sure it'd still be great without the hops.[/quote'] Do you know have an approximate ABV for that? Sounds nice though :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacBeers Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 ~5.5% I lied, I didn't make the next two exactly the same. Looking in my book the second was dry hopped with centennial and the third batch had an additional 500g LDM, more galaxy and cascade and was topped up to 25 litres instead of 23. (batch number three ended up around 6%!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payno Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Some great ideas there. My very first brew was a can of Tooheys Dark Ale (sorry Coopers - its just what my LHBS guy gave me!) and 1.5kg (or might have been 1.7 cant remember!) Liquid Dark ME......just a K&K with no hops and came out very nice. Nice and malty which is how I like my Dark beers. I have a Coopers Dark Ale can at home and was going to do the same but with some steeped choc malt and Fuggles...but from what Ive read here I might change that to Amber ME. I did the Smotty recently - didn't like it at first as its quite bitter, but it is mellowing nicely now and becoming very drinkable. I really like the dark strong malty beers like Monteiths Dopplebock, Porters and some Extra Stouts but without the charcoal bite that many Stouts have. The Hop Gobbler does look like a good one and Ive also heard great reviews of the RoboChoc. Id like to try the Mister Sinister (in the strong list) but concerned it might be a bit too bitter. Lusty - 1970 vintage aswell.....must've been a great year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschemad911 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The Hop Gobbler is a beautiful drop Payno, if you haven't made that one I can definitely recommend it. Actually I have such fond memories of it that I'll be doing an all grain version of it 2 brew days from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsubodai Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I have previously done the Double OS Dark Ale Toucan and it was not too my liking without anything else added to it. I just did it as an experiment as I have with all the Coopers OS cans. It came out around 65 IBUs when made into a 23L batch. The OG was around 44 so the bitterness ratio was around 1.4, which is say, 50% more bitter than a bitter IPA. I thought about using less efficient yeast to leave behind some sweetness or some lactose, but figured I would stick to my other recipes for the OS DA can as I find that OS DA and Lager go together quite well, as does the OS DA and APA can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Hi Chrystallis, I've been doing the Ol Brown Dog recipe (American Brown Ale) with extra hops and specialty malts inclusions. The Ol Brown Dog uses a can of Dark Ale plus a can of unhopped Amber Malt as its base. Just bottled another batch on Saturday which used Citra and Galaxy hops plus Belgium Special B, Shepherds Delight and Toffee malts, which has given it a rich flavour. Cheers Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPolo Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I was thinking of doing a single can of Dark Ale in 11L with 400g steep of Winter Wheat Malt plus maybe about 200g DME. The Ian H spreadsheet says that this would be like an Australian/Foreign Extra Stout. Thoughts? Just getting a bit tired of saving half a can in the fridge each time I open a can. However the IBU of around 67 does seem a bit steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, DonPolo said: I was thinking of doing a single can of Dark Ale in 11L with 400g steep of Winter Wheat Malt plus maybe about 200g DME. The Ian H spreadsheet says that this would be like an Australian/Foreign Extra Stout. Thoughts? Just getting a bit tired of saving half a can in the fridge each time I open a can. However the IBU of around 67 does seem a bit steep. If you like your beers on the bitter side then you might be okay. Have a look at some of the recipes in the Coopers Recipe Spreadsheet with an ABV around 67. Have you made or tried any of these, did you like them? If so it would be worth giving it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPolo Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shamus O'Sean said: If you like your beers on the bitter side then you might be okay. Have a look at some of the recipes in the Coopers Recipe Spreadsheet with an ABV around 67. Have you made or tried any of these, did you like them? If so it would be worth giving it a try. I've had a quick look and it is promising. A better look tomorrow. However, I am hamstrung by actually having the Dark Ale cans already to hand. I'm not fazed too much about the bitterness, but maybe some of my mates will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malter White Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, DonPolo said: I was thinking of doing a single can of Dark Ale in 11L with 400g steep of Winter Wheat Malt plus maybe about 200g DME. The Ian H spreadsheet says that this would be like an Australian/Foreign Extra Stout. Thoughts? Just getting a bit tired of saving half a can in the fridge each time I open a can. However the IBU of around 67 does seem a bit steep. Hi Don. There's still a few days left on the Fathers Day promotion on brew kits with free shipping. It could be a good time to invest in a second FV. $59 for the craft kit, $99 for the 23 litre.https://www.diybeer.com/au/brew-kits.html Edited August 17, 2020 by MUZZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPolo Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, DonPolo said: I've had a quick look and it is promising. A better look tomorrow. However, I am hamstrung by actually having the Dark Ale cans already to hand. I'm not fazed too much about the bitterness, but maybe some of my mates will be. Tempting!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brauhaus Fritz Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 11 hours ago, EllerslieLiquor said: Well, recently i have came across such dark beer, First is Monteiths Black Beer it's a dark beer with a dark brown color. It has a creamy, bready and malty flavor. Second one is black mac beer - The black mac beer has an unique taste, it is a different beer, you should try it for yourself. The Monteiths is not bad at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brauhaus Fritz Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Not really a toucan, but the darkest brew I made so far is the Cooper's Mr. Sinister, did two versions, one with roasted barley, one with chocolate malt. Full body, high ABV, great taste and ages well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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