Hairy Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 OK Lusty, you have a couple of recipes on here with some minor differences. Which one should I use as a base for my brew? Which did you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hi Hairy. OK Lusty' date=' you have a couple of recipes on here with some minor differences. Which one should I use as a base for my brew? Which did you prefer?[/quote']Each incantation was nice for different reasons, but if I had to pick one above the others, the first recipe is the one I liked the most, & suggested to Scottie. The recipe I listed in my initial post for an extract/partial brew is the one. When I did get around to brewing that recipe I upped the bittering addition of Centennial to 20gms up from 15gms. Apart from that, brew that as is with the 1318 yeast, & the double dry hop if you really want to emulate what I said I consider my best homebrewed recipe. Since I know you're such a lazy arse when it comes to conversions , if I were to brew this as an AG recipe, this would be my bill... Suitable Pilsner Malt grain 2kgs Aus Ale Malt grain 750gms Munich Malt grain 500gms Medium Crystal Malt grain 350gms Chocolate Malt grain 100gms CaraHell grain 200gms (love this stuff!) Mash @ 68°C for 75mins Centennial 20gms @ 60mins Mosaic 10gms @ 20mins Mosaic 5gms @ 10mins Mosaic 10gms @ flameout (30min post boil steep) Mosaic 10gms dry hopped after 4-5 days. Remove Mosaic dry hop after 3 days contact & replace with 10gms of fresh Mosaic last 3 days of ferment. Wyeast London Ale III 1318 fermented @ 20°C Brewed to 21 litres Drink it young for more of the Mosaic influence. After 7-8 weeks it'll start to turn more towards an EB. Win/win. We all have our preferences of "yum", this is as good as I've been able to make (so far) for mine. I hope that helps Hairy. Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeddy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 January appears to be Mosaic Amber Ale drinking month. Yum Yum! This stuff is going down an absolute corker!! Perfect mid-week tipple to have after work and some exercise. Smooth as. Though I think the drinking month will extend into Febuary somewhat. Half tempted to put down another brew of it actually.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Ok, this is scheduled for Saturday afternoon. I was planning on using the chiller but the tap water is still fairly warm at the moment so, without using a pre-chiller, I will shelve until it cools down a little. It also isn't a hop monster so no-chilling will be fine. I have tweaked the recipe for no-chilling, for the ingredients my LHBS has on hand, 23 v 21 litre brew length and because I can't help myself. But it is very similar to Lusty's recipe and is the same in spirit 3.5kg - BB Ale malt 0.8kg - Munich I 0.35kg - Medium Crystal malt 0.25kg - Biscuit malt 0.1 kg - Chocolate malt (pale) 15g Centennial (AA 10%) @ 60 minutes 5g Mosaic (12.5%) @ 10 minutes 20g Mosaic @ Whirlpool 25g Mosaic - dry hop Mash @ 68C OG - 1050 IBU - 30 Mangrove Jacks British Ale yeast It has been a while since I have made an amber ale, I am looking forward to it. And I love Mosaic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hi Hairy. I have tweaked the recipe for no-chilling' date=' for the ingredients my LHBS has on hand, 23 v 21 litre brew length and because I can't help myself.[/quote']Given your no-chill method, I understand most of your tweak(s). But it is very similar to Lusty's recipe and is the same in spirit Given the only exacts you've used from my recipe are the 350gms of medium crystal & 100gms of chocolate malt' date=' there are very few ties to my original recipe. You're on your own with this one bud! [img']lol[/img] On paper, quite a few differences, but should still yield a similar result............maybe! Of course I only wish you the best of luck with the brew Hairy. I hope it yields something you really enjoy. Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 But it is very similar to Lusty's recipe and is the same in spirit Given the only exacts you've used from my recipe are the 350gms of medium crystal & 100gms of chocolate malt' date=' there are very few ties to my original recipe. You're on your own with this one bud! [img']lol[/img] On paper, quite a few differences, but should still yield a similar result............maybe! Don't disclaim responsibility It is still similar enough to blame you if it tastes like crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hey Guys I can see what Hairy is doing here. My version of Lusty's Mosaic Amber Ale has not been put together with a tactical bent. However as Hairy says his is close enough so that Lusty can be blamed if it doesn't measure. What Hairy fails to say is that it is different enough that Lusty won't necessarily receive all the credit if this brew hits the mark Cheers & Beers Scottie Valley Brew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 It really is tough to get one brewer to brew another brewer's recipe without out changing it a little. I'm not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hey Guys I can see what Hairy is doing here. My version of Lusty's Mosaic Amber Ale has not been put together with a tactical bent. However as Hairy says his is close enough so that Lusty can be blamed if it doesn't measure. What Hairy fails to say is that it is different enough that Lusty won't necessarily receive all the credit if this brew hits the mark Cheers & Beers Scottie Valley Brew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 It really is tough to get one brewer to brew another brewer's recipe without out changing it a little. I'm not sure why. It is just human nature; or our massive egos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 But it is very similar to Lusty's recipe and is the same in spirit Given the only exacts you've used from my recipe are the 350gms of medium crystal & 100gms of chocolate malt' date=' there are very few ties to my original recipe. You're on your own with this one bud! [img']lol[/img] On paper, quite a few differences, but should still yield a similar result............maybe! Don't disclaim responsibility It is still similar enough to blame you if it tastes like crap I can see what Hairy is doing here. My version of Lusty's Mosaic Amber Ale has not been put together with a tactical bent. However as Hairy says his is close enough so that Lusty can be blamed if it doesn't measure. What Hairy fails to say is that it is different enough that Lusty won't necessarily receive all the credit if this brew hits the mark As soon as Hairy posted his recipe' date=' I was onto him quick smart! i.e. when someone leaves the door slightly ajar, quickly jam a wedge in there to keep it open. [img']wink[/img] Both brews have been documented, & the differences noted. I'm as safe as houses now! Anyways, I consider Hairy a good friend here on the forum, so if he somehow manages to bollox it up, I won't blame him, I'll blame it on his new Grainfather. It really is tough to get one brewer to brew another brewer's recipe without out changing it a little. I'm not sure why. It is just human nature; or our massive egos I reckon "Lusty's Mosaic Amber Ale" has a better ring to it anyway. Egos' date='... what egos? [img']whistling[/img] Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Anyways' date=' I consider Hairy a good friend here on the forum[/quote']What? I thought it was more like Jerry Seinfeld and Newman. I am more like Jerry Seinfeld because he is witty and can't act, you are more like Newman because he is, well, Newman "Lusty" I reckon “Lusty's Mosaic Amber Ale” has a better ring to it anyway. You may recall from a different thread it is called Ladies Lusting after Lusty Amber Ale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Anyways' date=' I consider Hairy a good friend here on the forum[/quote']What? I thought it was more like Jerry Seinfeld and Newman. I am more like Jerry Seinfeld because he is witty and can't act, you are more like Newman because he is, well, Newman "Lusty" Hmm...interesting analogy Jerry...err I mean Hairy. Perhaps the following Newman quote is appropriate here? "All right! But hear me, and hear me well. The day will come–Oh, yes! Mark my words, Seinfeld (Hairy) Your day of reckoning is coming when an evil wind will blow through your little play world and wipe that smug smile off your face! And I’ll be there, in all my glory, watching–watching as it all comes crumbling down!" (He laughs maniacally as he leaves) Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Brew was done today. There was a slight change to the recipe due to LHBS running out of pale chocolate malt. So 100g pale Choc was subbed with 50g Chocolate malt and 50g Brown malt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 ...It is still similar enough to blame you if it tastes like crap ... Brew was done today. There was a slight change to the recipe due to LHBS running out of pale chocolate malt. So 100g pale Choc was subbed with 50g Chocolate malt and 50g Brown malt. Whoop! There goes similar out the window! Ohh well' date=' you should still smell the Mosaic Hairy. You did use Mosaic hops right? [img']unsure[/img] Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I have a very broad view of the term 'similar'. You are still on the hook Lusty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I started cold crashing this last night and it tastes pretty good. So Lusty, you may escape with your reputation intact. I'm not saying what that reputation is though Started with an OG of 1054 and finished at 1012. I achieved a brewhouse efficiency of 80% instead of the expected 75% but didn't bother watering it down. So it will be a little stronger than anticipated but I can deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hi Hairy. I'm glad your version of the beer is progressing well. I too achieved good attenuation from the 1318 yeast (I used) as you appear to have with the MJ's British Ale yeast. I felt that helped make the beer quite refreshing to drink by not having a lot of body remaining as is often the case when using a lot of the British yeasts. It just seemed to present at a nice balanced level. I'm definitely looking forward to your comments once at a suitable drinking stage. I started cold crashing this last night and it tastes pretty good. So Lusty' date=' you may escape with your reputation intact. I'm not saying what that reputation is though [img']tongue[/img] I wouldn't worry about my reputation too much Hairy. At this point, trying to improve that would be likened to throwing a cherry on top of a dog turd! Anyways, back to researching "correct hook removal procedures". Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Started with an OG of 1054 and finished at 1012. I achieved a brewhouse efficiency of 80% instead of the expected 75% but didn't bother watering it down. It's good to see your new system is outdoing your expectations. You'll have to rein that in with the coming brews. Fun' date=' fun![img']biggrin[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Started with an OG of 1054 and finished at 1012. I achieved a brewhouse efficiency of 80% instead of the expected 75% but didn't bother watering it down. It's good to see your new system is outdoing your expectations. You'll have to rein that in with the coming brews. Fun' date=' fun![img']biggrin[/img] I am after consistency now. If I regularly hit 80% then I will be happy. Most of my beers use around 5kg of grain so it should be fine. If making a big beer then I will dial back my efficiency a little. I am not overly concerned as they are not competition beers. A few gravity points here or there won't worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm pulling down 85% consistently on 40L brews. This is = Aprox. 1.050 post boil OG with approx. 7.5 Kg of malt. My system loses are 10L to MLT & MLT deadspace + 2L to trub with boil Evap. % @ 10. using Brewmate. I'd be interested on the specs. on your grainfather. Just for brewing geeks sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeddy Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Given how you can seemingly get away with lighter ABV levels with Amber Ales' date=' I reckon this recipe could work very well. Briess CBW Pilsen Liquid Malt Extract 1.5kg (Sorry Coopers. Make your LME more widely available!) Light Dry Malt Extract 500gms Munich Malt grain 500gms ............... [/quote'] Lusty/Hairy et al. Some advice for a novice brewer please.? I have successfully done (and mostly drunk!) the Cooper's version of your Midnight Mosaic, vis http://store.coopers.com.au/recipes/index/view/id/80/.. Now, they utilise: 1.7kg Original Series Lager Brew Can 1.5kg Thomas Coopers Amber Malt Extract 500g Coopers Light Dry Malt whereas you only utilise: Briess CBW Pilsen Liquid Malt Extract 1.5kg (Sorry Coopers. Make your LME more widely available!) Light Dry Malt Extract 500gms i.e. I don't see the equivalent of the Lager Brew Can in Lusty's recipe? Sorry if this is a silly question! I am keen to try Lusty's recommended full recipe (or close to) as per the first post in this thread. I'm just about to utilize Cooper's free postage offer. I already have a can of Amber Malt Extract in the cupboard; should I order a can of Original Lager as per Cooper's recipe? Or not? Thanks guys Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hey Zeddy A little unsure what you are looking for here, however you may be seeking to understand brewing with Concentrate (kits), Extract (Briess and Coopers Malts), All Grain (base malts) and partial mash (extract and grains). If the recipe of Lusty's that you are referring to is an Extract recipe then there will not be a Coopers beer kit involved. In this case Lusty uses Briess malt as the replacement for the Coopers kit along with a bittering addition of hops. Basically the concentrate can (Coopers Lager) is a bittered malt extract, you can get the same effect by boiling hops say for say 60 minutes in around 10 litres of water and malt extract. Cheers & Beers Scottie Valley Brew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The OS lager kit would largely be made up of hopped pilsner malt, so there is a similarity. Lusty adds his own specialty malts instead of using the amber liquid malt. And I am not sure whether the Coopers recipe is based on Lusty's or whether Lusty just likes to mention that at every possible moment he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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