Coopers Pale Ale never Fails

[Scottie]

Hi Guys

I have just tasted my latest brew after letting it "cellar" for 8 whole weeks [biggrin] .

This one is built upon the Coopers APA can and is another beauty. In direct contrast to the other thread running at the minute this Can is foolproof. I have used it many times and even on brew #2 the Can and a Kilo of BE1 was top notch.

This one is the sister to my full extract Styx River Pale Ale and unfortunately for my confidence this one is better, more than likely in another month or so it will be "my best brew ever".

Styx River Pale

1.7kg Coopers Australian Pale Ale

1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract

150g Pale Crystal (80EBC)

100g LDM

Galaxy 15g @ 15 minutes

Willamette 15g @ 15 minutes

Galaxy 20g @ 8 minutes

Willamette 15g @ 8 minutes

Galaxy 10g @ 0 minutes

Willamette 15g @ 0 minutes

The boiled wort (3 litres) was rested for 30 minutes before straining into the FV atop the Can & Extract.

 

Coopers re-cultured yeast pitched at 18'C, fermented at 18'C. In the FV for 15 days, in the bottle for 8 weeks.

 

I can only imagine how good this would have been at this age if I had kegged it. If I can improve on the APA Can by doing full extract brews then I will be stoked [cool].

 

For now I will have to be content with the two 345ml stubbies that I chilled

 

[Guest]

The Pale Ale can was my go to Kit... I did some amazing things with that can as a base and was by far my favorite of all the Coopers Cans (apart from Kylie of course)

 

A solid base for tasty experimentation.

 

a Rock Solid +1

 

Yob

[Guest]

Congrats on the nice brew Scottie. [cool]

 

Nice hop additions.

 

By chance did you dry hop it as well?

 

My commercial beer of choice is Coopers Pale Ale, so it isn't a hard choice for me to which kit I gravitate to most when kit brewing.

 

There's a few of the kit tins I haven't used yet & am looking forward to brewing at some point. So far in the TC range I've brewed the Pilsner, IPA & most recently used the Sparkling Ale kit for the Smurto's JS Golden Ale clone recipe, which turned out very well. [biggrin]

 

It's always nice when an experimental brew turns out that bit better than even you anticipated. [happy]

 

Anthony.

[Hairy]

The Pale Ale can was my go to Kit... I did some amazing things with that can as a base and was by far my favorite of all the Coopers Cans (apart from Kylie of course)

 

A solid base for tasty experimentation.

 

a Rock Solid +1

 

Yob

The Coopers APA can was always my standard kit. It was a good base for pimping out. I have used this kit more than any other by a long way.

 

I think Coopers should get rid of the dude with the beard in their marketing and run with Kylie instead.

[Scottie]

I think Coopers should get rid of the dude with the beard in their marketing and run with Kylie instead.

[lol] Now I get it

Took a while - sorry Yob [pouty]

 

Anthony

I didn't dry hop it, Up until two brews ago I was going with short boils and flameout adds (Dry hopped brews before but I've been experimenting). But I ordered a new keg and reg from CraftBrewer and added one of their Jumbo hop socks, so from here on in a bit of Dry Hopping as well as shorts.

 

I've got 90g of Motueka but I think I'd rather do a Motueka Slam IPA from an extract base. I think I'll start another thread [joyful]

[Mainiac]

The Pale Ale can was my go to Kit... I did some amazing things with that can as a base and was by far my favorite of all the Coopers Cans (apart from Kylie of course)

 

A solid base for tasty experimentation.

 

a Rock Solid +1

 

Yob

The Coopers APA can was always my standard kit. It was a good base for pimping out. I have used this kit more than any other by a long way.

 

I think Coopers should get rid of the dude with the beard in their marketing and run with Kylie instead.

 

I vote for Kylie too [love]

 

[GrahamB8]

Coopers Cans (apart from Kylie of course)

 

+1 for Kylie's cans

[Scottie]

Kylie's (very nice) cans aside, this one is drinking really well. So well in fact that I was just about to post it in the Blow your own Trumpet thread. I have 4 extract brews lined up and if they don't top this one I may very well revert to kits and bits for life. Yes its that good [happy]

 

Edit: Officially my best brew ever [cool]

[tbgoose]

Hi all.

 

Seriously new brewer here, so apologies for any stupidity. I am going to give your Styx pale a crack Scottie, but I have a few questions about timings and volumes.

 

I have all the goodies (mostly from craft brewer). This is only the second time I have used grain, and the first time was in a kit so I knew timings etc.

 

From your instructions is sounds like you boiled the hops with the grain, but not the APA kit or the Wheat Malt Extract?

 

So basically I put ~3L of water in a pot, add the 100g LDM and the 150g light crystal and bring to a boil. At a rolling boil start a timer and add hops at specified times (3 additions, at 0 mins, 8 mins and 15mins) at which point I flame out and leave for 30 mins. Or perhaps I have my timings backwards, and I am supposed to count down from some ‘normal’ wort boiling time?

 

This is all probably obvious to you guys, but I would like to get my head around it so I don’t screw it up!

 

[zargonb]

@tbgoose - I cant answer all the questions but the hop schedule is reverse to what you are thinking. So its mins from end of boil. So a hop addition at 15mins boils for 15 mins, a hop addition at 8min goes in 7 mins after the 15 min addition and boils for 8 mins. 0min additions go in at flame out.

 

In terms of the whole boil length, I've read that when boiling hops to add to kits (which are already bittered), just boil for the longest addition. So this would be 15mins total boil time. Malt extract apparently darkens the longer you boil it so no need to boil longer than required.

 

the timings are related to getting flavour and aroma out of the hops. Magnaman posted a nice chart in this thread: https://www.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/14596/ that helps to explain it

 

 

 

[Scottie]

G'day tbgoose

 

zargonb has nailed the boil times, 15minutes first and start your timer.

 

As for the speciality grain you will need to crack the grains and steep in 2-3 litres of hot water, about 70 degrees for 30 minutes. You then have to remove the grain, i.e. strain the liquid into your boiling pot. Make the volume in your boiling pot up to 3 litres and add the 100g of LDM. Bring to the boil and start your hop additions, 15 - 8 - 0. At 0 minutes remove the heat and let the pot stand for 30 minutes, then proceed as normal.

Good luck I'm sure you will nail it.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

 

PS when I steeped my grains I added them to hot water at 65 degrees, popped the lid on and placed in an oven at 60 degrees - oven steep. This is not absolutely needed and you can actually cold steep speciality grains. It is however good practice if you ever choose to use base grain.

[tbgoose]

Right, thanks to both of you for clearing that up and for being snappy about it!

 

Really looking forward to trying this brew. Our previous pale ale attempts have not been hoppy enough for my liking, so thinking that multiple additions of hops should aid the bittering I am looking for.

 

Scottie, do you think we could benefit from a ~30g dry hop of the galaxy after initial fermentation (5ish days in)? or would it be too much? I love a bit of hoppy aroma in my beer.

 

For reference I seem to be able to drink HopHog and SN Torpedo like they are pilsners recently...

[Scottie]

Hey tb

 

Galaxy is a nice hop for sure but I would brew this one without a Dry Hop. It has the late addition and the 30 minute steep which is designed to enhance the hop aroma. There is a long way to go in your brewing journey, but it sounds to me like the Coopers Pale Ale kit is not the best choice for you. You should check out the Hop Slam recipes here, or search for PB2's Moteuka Hop Slam IPA.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

[tbgoose]

Awesome cheers mate – ill check those out. I should have specified that I am currently brewing with two mates who don’t like the bigger beers. So For this brew I was looking for some middle ground to meet them on. Will do as you say and not dry hop this one.

 

We are pretty bad at holding our beers for long maturing times in the bottles… 8 weeks will probably be a record if we can make it! We have found that everything seems to happen pretty quickly up here (Broome) and we don’t have enough cool storage so most of it will just be in a cupboard coming into the wet season :(

 

Ill report back with how we get on, thanks again!

[Dingo 1525229558]

Can't wait to make this beer. Just bought all the hops and malts to make it.

 

Cheers for the recipe Scottie.

[Scottie]

Can't wait to make this beer. Just bought all the hops and malts to make it.

 

Cheers for the recipe Scottie.

 

Good Luck Nik

 

With this brew and the Cascarillo Amber you are certainly up and running. The Coopers Pale Ale rarely disappoints and I have found very few disappointing hops. Willamette and Galaxy are two that are bound to please.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

[Scottie]

Can't wait to make this beer. Just bought all the hops and malts to make it.

 

Cheers for the recipe Scottie.

 

Good Luck Nik

 

With this brew and the Cascarillo Amber you are certainly up and running. The Coopers Pale Ale rarely disappoints and I have found very few disappointing hops. Willamette and Galaxy are two that are bound to please.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

[Dingo 1525229558]

I brewed your Styx River today Scottie. It was my first time using Galaxy and Willamette. They smelt really nice.

 

I followed the recipe to a tee but substituted the Coopers yeast for rehydrated US-05. I'll only be able to leave it 10-11 days in the FV as i am flying to Melbourne for christmas (and homebrew shopping). I'm sure it'll still be top notch.

 

The Cascarillo Amber tasted amazing while bottling. I can't wait to get back and crack a cold one.

 

Have a cracking christmas mate!

[Payno]

I copied this one onto a list of recipes that I want to make - looks really good so might be one of my next brews, cheers Scottie

Also bottled the cascarillo amber ale yesterday as well Nic- lovely rich sweet smell, looking forward to trying it in a couple of weeks as well

[Jsmitty]

Thinking of brewing an APA can with 1.5kg LME, 300g Dextrose and a Coopers commercial yeast culture. Would this be fairly close to the commercial beer (besides being a tad stronger) or would that be too much malt for the low bitterness this can contains?

 

Going to brew this can with some fruity hop additions in the near future, but I'd like to try to make something similar to Coopers Pale first with an ABV around 5%.

 

Cheers.

[Waylon]

That makes a great beer for all to enjoy especially for those that like a commercial aussie type beer.

 

Coopers say APA can= 320IBU

Formulate; 320(IBU) x 1.7 (apa can) % 23(litres) = 23.7 IBU

cerveza can; 280 x 1.7 % 23= 20.7

Our CUB pub beer is ariund 20-25 IBU'S

 

Some spread sheets arn't accurate to the can ibu

 

Ix 1.7 coopers pale ale + 1x 1.5 LDM + 300g dex @23litres = 23.7 IBU,s

 

 

But with a boil without going over the top will make a tastyer beer with either kits example;

 

If you add a small boil say

12.5g galaxy 10min

12.5g citra 10 min

12.5g galaxy; flame out

12.5g galaxy; flame out

 

 

 

[Scottie]

I brewed your Styx River today Scottie. It was my first time using Galaxy and Willamette. They smelt really nice.

 

I followed the recipe to a tee but substituted the Coopers yeast for rehydrated US-05. I'll only be able to leave it 10-11 days in the FV as i am flying to Melbourne for christmas (and homebrew shopping). I'm sure it'll still be top notch.

 

The Cascarillo Amber tasted amazing while bottling. I can't wait to get back and crack a cold one.

 

Have a cracking christmas mate!

 

Good onya Nik

 

Can't wait to here how the taste test goes' date=' yeast is OK too because just like the Coopers Pale Ale, US05 never fails.

 

Have a good Christmas

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

[i']Valley Brew[/i]

[Scottie]

I copied this one onto a list of recipes that I want to make - looks really good so might be one of my next brews' date=' cheers Scottie

Also bottled the cascarillo amber ale yesterday as well Nic- lovely rich sweet smell, looking forward to trying it in a couple of weeks as well [/quote']

 

Good luck with the brew Payno, Nik may have provided some feedback before you put your sown. It is always good to have a forum mate who is putting down similar brews- and the recipes of the month (Cascarillo Amber) help with that. They didn't have those when I first joined the forum.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

[Scottie]

Thinking of brewing an APA can with 1.5kg LME' date=' 300g Dextrose and a Coopers commercial yeast culture. Would this be fairly close to the commercial beer (besides being a tad stronger) or would that be too much malt for the low bitterness this can contains?

 

Going to brew this can with some fruity hop additions in the near future, but I'd like to try to make something similar to Coopers Pale first with an ABV around 5%.

 

Cheers.[/quote']

 

Hey smitty

 

That isn't really that much malt so it shouldn't be too bad but it might finish a little high for the style.

I have used 1.5 kg LME many times with this can, granted there have been some late hop additions adding some extra bitterness.

 

Cheers & Beers

Scottie

Valley Brew

[Dingo 1525229558]

Just cracked an ice cold Stix River only 19 days in the bottle!!! Easily the best beer if produced thus far!!! Galaxy hops shining through with fruity aromas, bloody delicious. Can't wait to age them for a bit longer.

 

Thanks for the recipe. I will be making this again.