Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Hello guys & gals. I have a very close & respected friend that I have known for approx. 20 years. The Bast**d happens to be Scottish. (just kidding) [tongue] In the 20 years roughly that I've known him, I never EVER asked him what he used to drink when he was back home. It just never came up in conversation. Well he works crazy hours, & called me up the other night & asked if I'd still be awake if he called by my way nearing 11.30pm. To which I said, "Of course I will be!". We sat down, I gave him a few of my better home brews, that he enjoyed, & after an hour or so of convo, it dawned on me to ask him what he used to drink back home. He said straight up, "Tartan Special". I said, "What nothing else?". He said, "Nope, nothing else. At the local, this is what I liked to drink". There's nothing like it here in AUS. So I'd like to brew him up something REAL close if I can. I looked into this brand & recipes for a long while & there isn't much in way of a clone. The closest I could get for a recipe to follow was the category listed under the BJCP Style Guidelines for this type of beer. I used IanH's Spreadsheet to come up with this... Coopers Liquid Amber Malt 1.5kg Light Dry Malt Powder 1kg CaraAmber 250gms Light Crystal 60 250gms Fuggles 25gms @ 45mins Amarillo 25gms @ 15mins E.K.G 15gms @ 5mins E.K.G 10gms @ 2mins/flame out S-04 Yeast It seems to hit all the correct OG, colour, IBU & EBC levels in IanH's Spreadsheet. What do you think guys? Advice welcomed here. Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 Not feeling much love here right now. [sad] Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Is it a Scottish 80 shilling you want to make? If so, I wouldn't use Amarillo if you want to keep in style. I have a few recipes at home and will check them out tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 good luck with the S-04, I wont have it in the house [annoyed] *edit You will also struggle with those ingredients to make something like you want to, Descriptor is for both english malts and yeast. get some 1728 and use english malts, drop the american hops and look into the water profile. I thionk you may be biting off too much too soon, but hay, you will make beer, just not the one you intended to. [ninja] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Thanks for the references guys. Is it a Scottish 80 shilling you want to make? This reference got me heading in the right direction. It's actually a 70 shilling I want to make. [biggrin] You will also struggle with those ingredients to make something like you want to, Descriptor is for both english malts and yeast. get some 1728 and use english malts, drop the american hops and look into the water profile. I was way off with most of my ingredients, particularly the malts. On a quick search I found this... 8 pounds of Maris Otter malt 2.5 ounces Roasted Barley .75 East Kent Goldings Hops \u2013 full wort boil for 60 minutes Yeast: Wyeast 1728 Scottish Ale Is there a means of making this recipe a little more extract friendly with maybe some partial mashing/steeping? P.S. Yob: What happened to cause the dislike for Safale S-04? Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I seem to remember that Yob didn't like S-04 for some reason....[unsure] He is the yeast man around these parts, but I don't mind this one. It has work well for me and has the Britsh ale charateristics for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Lusty, Her's a general extract recipe for a 80 shilling scottish ale. For a 70 shilling substact 10[roll] . 2.75-3.5 Kg Light to Amber LME 150-300g light crystal 25-100g black patent malt 25-50 roasted barely 15-20IBU Fuggles, EKG, WGV, Bramling Cross, Target or Yeoman hops (60mins) Soft to morderate water hardness 125-150 ppm temp hardness Wyeast 1084/1725 @ 14-20C (1-4L starter) or S-04[innocent] [joyful] 60min boil OG 1040-50 FG 1010-1018 Use Ianh's spread sheet to come up with something to suit your needs. Good luck and here's to you mate enjoying it. Let us know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 it's a lazy yeast that tends to drop out of solution before hitting Terminal Gravity... I used it a few times way back and was displeased with it every time. Takes too much looking after IMO... YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH1525226084 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Is Tartan something ludicrous, as shown here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Thanks for the great recipe Canuck! [cool] IanH & I shall ponder it's final makeup to make sure it falls within the 70 shillings Scottish ale requirements. [biggrin] I shall attempt your brew after I put down BrendanS8's "24 Carat Gold" recipe this coming weekend. As for Adam(Jake The Peg with his extra Leg diddle liddle...)H, I don't think reaching ludicrous speeds as a Spaceball will quite help me in this particular situation. [lol] But maybe if I the hops it will? Thanks for your input on the S-04 too Yob. As I haven't used it yet, I'll give it bash & see how it goes, then assess it from there. Cheers, Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I had a couple of recipes from Beer & Brewer magazine. I couldn't be bothered typing them up so I found some links. This one was from some guy called Paul Burge [devil] and probably sits inbetween an 80/- and strong scotch ale: Scotch Ale - Paul Burge And this one was by Colin Penrose: Braveheart Beer - Colin Penrose I also have some recipes from Brewing Classic Styles that calls for English LME and Munich LME. I think this recipe would be better as a partial mash so I won't bother posting it now. Let me know if you do want it though. Edit: Brewing Classic Styles would be a great addition to your brewing library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks for taking the time to look into the recipe for me Hairy. I'm assuming Mr. Burge is our very own PB2? Unfortunately, I'm aiming a little lower for final ABV. More like a 70/-. The Sparkling Ale kit would gobble up about 70 shillings alone wouldn't it? [lol] The second recipe link you provided has similarities to Canadian Eh!L's recipe & is certainly worth looking into via IanH's spreadsheet. Both in their own right, sound very nice. [joyful] I've got almost 2 weeks to nail down a finalised recipe, so I'll post something a bit closer to that time. Thanks again. Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Is Tartan something ludicrous, as shown here? Hey Adam, Great clip! You know it's a Canadian flick? This is one of my favourite movies ever. I own a copy on VHS if anyone wants to borrow it![alien] [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH1525226084 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hey Adam, Great clip! You know it's a Canadian flick? This is one of my favourite movies ever. I own a copy on VHS if anyone wants to borrow it![alien] [lol] What is this VHS you speak of? It is also a personal fave of mine - I have it on DVD [biggrin] Someone here at work told me one day that their access code (for something I can't remember) was 1-2-3-4 so of course I told them that was the code an idiot would have on their luggage [joyful] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hey Adam, Great clip! You know it's a Canadian flick? This is one of my favourite movies ever. I own a copy on VHS if anyone wants to borrow it![alien] [lol] What is this VHS you speak of? It is also a personal fave of mine - I have it on DVD [biggrin] Someone here at work told me one day that their access code (for something I can't remember) was 1-2-3-4 so of course I told them that was the code an idiot would have on their luggage [joyful] [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi guys. Well I never did get around to making a Scottish Ale....until now! I got some very good advice from some brewing friends on a UK based forum I frequent for a clone recipe of a well known Scottish beer known as "Tartan Special". This is the beer my Scottish friend used to drink when he lived in Scotland. It's classed as a 70/- shilling beer (I think). It probably falls into what many of us would call a "megaswill" type beer, but it's what my friend likes, so I'm going to brew it for him. I'm using 3 ingredients I've never brewed with before (Wyeast 1728, Dark Brown Sugar, & Flaked Barley), so it makes for an interesting brew for me to taste & learn from. Briess Pilsen Light LME 1.5kg Light Dry Malt Extract 250gms Marris Otter grain 500gms Medium Crystal grain 100gms Flaked Barley grain 150gms Dark Brown Sugar 200gms Styrian Golding 30gms @ 60mins East Kent Golding 15gms @ 15mins Wyeast 1728 Scottish Ale yeast Brewed to 23 litres Will try to ferment at approx. 19°C OG = approx. 1.037 FG = approx. 1.011 EBC = 12.9 IBU = 22.1 Bottled ABV = approx. 3.9% I've been looking forward to this brew day for a few weeks now, & a different type of beer as an end result. The mini-mash is on as I type this, so I better get back to it! Cheers, Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi guys. Well I never did get around to making a Scottish Ale....until now! I got some very good advice from some brewing friends on a UK based forum I frequent for a clone recipe of a well known Scottish beer known as "Tartan Special". This is the beer my Scottish friend used to drink when he lived in Scotland. It's classed as a 70/- shilling beer (I think). It probably falls into what many of us would call a "megaswill" type beer' date=' but it's what my friend likes, so I'm going to brew it for him. I'm using 3 ingredients I've never brewed with before (Wyeast 1728, Dark Brown Sugar, & Flaked Barley), so it makes for an interesting brew for me to taste & learn from. Briess Pilsen Light LME 1.5kg Light Dry Malt Extract 250gms Marris Otter grain 500gms Medium Crystal grain 100gms Flaked Barley grain 150gms Dark Brown Sugar 200gms Styrian Golding 30gms @ 60mins East Kent Golding 15gms @ 15mins Wyeast 1728 Scottish Ale yeast Brewed to 23 litres Will try to ferment at approx. 19°C OG = approx. 1.037 FG = approx. 1.011 EBC = 12.9 IBU = 22.1 Bottled ABV = approx. 3.9% I've been looking forward to this brew day for a few weeks now, & a different type of beer as an end result. [img']cool[/img] The mini-mash is on as I type this, so I better get back to it! Cheers, Anthony. Looks good, Lusty! It's about time you got around to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi Skookum. Looks good' date=' Lusty! It's about time you got around to it![img']rolleyes[/img] Haha! True that! I'll tell him it was almost 2 years in research & development to produce the beer. That way if it's crap, he'll still appreciate the effort! I'm actually halfway through the hop boil & it's smelling pretty good actually. Styrian Golding is a nice hop, & distinctly British too. Cheers, Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Eh!L Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I've got 25 Kg of ESB malt, a bunch of fuggles and a vial of WLP005 that I'm looking to go on a run with in the near future. I love ESB's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I've got 25 Kg of ESB malt... That's dedication right there! Cheers, Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 How Cool is that I too have been planning a Scottish beer and I am aiming at a 60. I have purchased my yeast Wyeast 1728. I will be using Marris Otter (would really like to try Golden Promise but have 10kg of MO) My recipe also calls for 250g of Crystal and 100g of roasted barley. The recipe I have calls for Fuggles, I've never used them and don't have any so I was thinking of Willamette. Seeing your recipe Lusty, and considering I have stocks, I migt go with EKG and Styrian(I love this one more than Willamette). My numbers on BeerSmith are: OG 1.035 FG 1.010 IBU 12.6 EBC 25 ABV% 3.2 I might need to up the IBUs a bit, but I am looking at a different kind of beer. I am looking at next weekend for a brew day. Brewing Regards Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilboBaggins Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I might need to up the IBUs a bit Not by much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I might need to up the IBUs a bit Not by much though. I hear what you are saying Phil. According to my BeerSmith scale I am sitting in the lower quarter of the range, I am looking to come up to the mid point around 15IBU. This recipe should see the MO stand on its own, and based on my EBs I don't think I will be disappointed by that. Cheers Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi <insert current Scottie alias> How Cool is thatI too have been planning a Scottish beer and I am aiming at a 60. I have purchased my yeast Wyeast 1728. Great minds think alike! The recipe I have calls for Fuggles' date=' I've never used them and don't have any so I was thinking of Willamette.Seeing your recipe Lusty, and considering I have stocks, I might go with EKG and Styrian(I love this one more than Willamette).[/quote'] Don't fret about not having Fuggles. To me, Styrian & Fuggles are one & the same. I've used them both & couldn't really tell any difference between the two. Styrian is meant to be off of a Fuggle parent supposedly. Personally I think the Slovenians just took some Fuggle rhizomes, planted them in Slovenia & called them Styrian Golding! Good luck with your brew next week. Cheers, Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiphile Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi Scottie I'm back home now and have access to my library. Don't know if you're interested or not, but I found some clone recipes for the following Scottish Ales. Let me know if you're interested in a posting of any of them: Belhaven 80 Shilling MacQueen’s Nessie Original Red Ale McEwan’s IPA Old Jock Ale Scotch Silly Skull Splitter Traquair House Ale Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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