Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone has a recipe for a Polish Lager, or something similar to either Tyskie, Zywiec, Okocim, Warka etc. I'm yet to do a brew that's not all extract yet, but I am willing to go there. I have done a few brews with hop teas/dry hopping etc. Thanks in advance for any ideas or help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I love Zywiec and bookmarked this a few weeks ago Zywiec Recipe hope it helps, its on my list of to do's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Thanks for the reply. I already have that recipe, but have read mixed responses as to how close it actually is. Was hoping someone on here might have actually brewed something similar. Not being able to pick seperate ingredients just by tasting makes it hard haha, I just know I like the flavours that are there. Doesn't seem many people have tried it here, so it makes it hard I suppose. Cheers anyway. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 My idea is/was to experiment with different Baltic Porter recipes and take all the good things/tastes and make my own brew. Thats what i like to do, take a so called clone and adjust it to make it my own [love] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 I wouldn't even know where to begin and what to adjust as a basis, but yeah, I do like your theory. ;D People say that all the Euro beers taste similar, so start with just a Euro Lager, but I have to disagree when it comes to the Polish beers, because I don't think they are similar in taste to a Heineken or Becks for example. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Don't CLONE a beer, IMPROVE it![biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Copied from Clone Brews For the "Ireks" Extract, I would sub with This or similar. For the Extra Light DME use Briess or Coopers Zywiec Beer\t Zywiec Brewery, Zywiec, Poland\t This deep-golden Pilsner has a finely-beaded white head and a slightly spicy, very aromatic hop aroma with traces of malt. Medium-bodied Zywiec has a pleasant balance of hop bitterness and toasted grain flavor with a hint of smoke. This highly carbonated beer finishes dry.\t Yield: 5 gallons (18.9 L)\t Final gravity: 1.012-1.013\t SRM 4-5\t Original gravity: 1.051-1.052\t IBU 32\t 5% alcohol by volume\t Crush and steep in \xbd gallon (1.9 L) 150\xb0L (65.5\xb0C) water for 20 minutes:\t \t\t 6 oz. (.17 kg) 2.5\xb0L German light crystal malt \xbd lb. (.23 kg) German Munich malt\t Alternate Methods\t Mini-mash Method: Mash 2.5 lb. (1.1 kg) German 2-row Pilsner malt and the specialty grains at 150\xb0F (65.5\xb0C) for 90 minutes. Then follow the extract recipe replacing the 6.6 lb. (3 kg) Ireks light malt syrup with 3.3 lb. (1.5 kg) Bierkeller light malt syrup. Also use an additional \xbe lb. (.34 kg) M&F extra-light DME at the beginning of the boil.\t All-grain Method: Mash 9 lb. (4.1 kg) German 2-row Pilsner malt with the specialty grains at 150\xb0F (65.5\xb0C) for 90 minutes. Add 6.5 HBU (28% less than the extract recipe) of bittering hops for 90 minutes of the boil. Add the flavor hops and lrish moss for the last 15 minutes of the boil and the aroma hops for the last 5 minutes.\t Strain the grain water into your brew pot. Sparge the grains with \xbd gallon (1.9 L) water at 150\xb0F (65.5\xb0C). Add water to the brew pot for 1.5 gallons (5.7 L) total volume. Bring the water to a boil, remove the pot from the stove, and add:\t \t\t 6.6 lb. (3 kg) Ireks light malt syrup 4 oz. (113 g) M&F extra-light DME 2 oz. (57 g) Polishner Lublin @ 4.5% AA (9 HBU) (bittering hop)\t Add water until total volume in the brew pot is 2.5 gallons (9 L). Boil for 45 minutes then add:\t \t\t \xbc oz. (7 g) German Hallertau Hersbrucker (flavor hop) 1 tsp. (5 ml) lrish moss\t Boil for 10 minutes then add:\t \t\t \xbc oz. (7 g) German Hallertau Hersbrucker (aroma hop)\t Boil for 5 minutes, remove pot from the stove, and cool for 15 minutes. Strain the cooled wort into the primary fermenter and add cold water to obtain 5 gallons (18.9 L). When the wort temperature is under 80\xb0F (26.6\xb0C), pitch your yeast.\t \t\t 1st choice: Wyeast's 2278 Czech Pilsner yeast (Ferment at 40-52\xb0F [4-11\xb0C]) 2nd choice: Wyeast's 2007 Pilsen lager yeast (Ferment at 40-52\xb0F [4-11\xb0C])\t Ferment in the primary fermenter 5-7 days or until fermentation slows, then siphon into the secondary fermenter. Bottle when fermentation is complete with:\t \t\t 1\xbd cup (300 ml) M&F extra-light DME\t Serve in a Pilsner glass at 45\xb0F (7\xb0C).\t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 PS. I also have a recipe for Okocim, let me know If you would like it posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Thanks for that post! Holy shit balls, that's a lot to take in there! Hahaha. What's the best way to go about getting the ingredients needed? I would love the recipe for Okocim aswell, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 I was also under the impression that Polishner Lublin was basically impossible to get here? I looked into it a few months back, along with Marynka hops, and couldn't find anywhere in Australia to get them. What would be a suitable substitute for the Lublin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I would sub Lublin with Czech Saaz. The Marynka is a tough one as I have yet to try it, from the description though, I would try Northern Brewer. I buy hard to source hops from the US or from this mob in Czech Hops They have Lublin and Marinka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Cheers mate. So you think the Saaz would be an Ok bittering hop? I wonder how Perle would go for the bittering. . . [unsure] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The easiest way to acquire the ingredients (maybe not the hops) is to buy them online from Craftbrewer.com.au or absolutehomebrew.com.au or http://www.esbrewing.com.au/ I have never seen Irek extract but the 6 kg liquid at http://www.esbrewing.com.au/esb-home-page-products/esb-standard-malt-extract-6kg.html is made from pilsner malt and should sub ok. Briess extralight DME can sub for the M&F extra light DME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I buy hard to source hops from the US or from this mob in Czech Hops I have used this mob too and although Customs savaged my last packet, I haven't had any problems with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Cheers mate. So you think the Saaz would be an Ok bittering hop? I wonder how Perle would go for the bittering. . . [unsure] Saaz will be fine for the style. Personally I have used Perle only twice and found it a little harsh (to my palate). Perle is a substitute for Northern Brewer, so you may get away with subbing it for the Marynka - maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtownClown Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Just realised this is for the Porter.. Okocim Porter\t Okocim Brewery, Okocim, Poland\t Okocim Porter is dark black in color with a creamy, cappuccino-colored head. The nose is malty and sweet with traces of roasted malt. The full-bodied flavor is brimming with roasted malt and molasses with a nicely balanced hop presence. This porter finishes with an aftertaste dominated by dry roasted grains.\t Yield: 5 gallons (18.9 L)\t Final gravity: 1.024-1.026\t SRM 64\t Original gravity: 1.087-1.091\t IBU 29\t 8.1% alcohol by volume\t Crush and steep in 1 gallon (3.8 L) 150\xb0L (65.5\xb0C) water for 20 minutes:\t \t\t 12 oz. (.34 kg) 65\xb0L German dark crystal malt 4 oz. (113 g) black malt 4 oz. (113 g) chocolate malt 4 oz. (113 g) German Munich malt\t Alternate Methods\t Mini-mash Method: Mash 2 lb. (.9 kg) German 2-row Pilsner malt and the specialty grains at 150\xb0F (65.5\xb0C) for 90 minutes. Then follow the extract recipe omitting 2.25 lb. (1 kg) DME at the beginning of the boil.\t All-grain Method: Mash 15 lb. (6.8 kg) German 2-row Pilsner malt, \xbd lb. (.23 kg) dextrin malt, and the specialty grains at 152\xb0F (66.6\xb0C) for 90 minutes. Add 7 HBU (22% less than the extract recipe) of bittering hops for 90 minutes of the boil. Add the flavor hops and lrish moss for the last 15 minutes of the boil.\t Strain the grain water into your brew pot. Sparge the grains with \xbd gallon (1.9L) water at 150\xb0F (65.5\xb0C). Add water to the brew pot for 1.5 gallons (5.7 L) total volume. Bring the water to a boil, remove the pot from the stove, and add:\t \t\t 9.75 lb. (4.4 kg) M&F extra-light DME 12 oz. (.34 kg) Malto-dextrin 2 oz. (57 g) Polishner Lublin @ 4.5% AA (9 HBU) (bittering hop)\t Add water until total volume in the brew pot is 3.5 gallons (13 L). Boil for 45 minutes then add:\t \t\t \xbd oz. (14 g) Polishner Lublin (flavor hop) 1 tsp. (5 ml) lrish moss\t Boil for 15 minutes, remove pot from the stove, and cool for 15 minutes. Strain the cooled wort into the primary fermenter and add cold water to obtain 5 gallons (18.9 L). When the wort temperature is under 80\xb0F (26.6\xb0C), pitch your yeast.\t \t\t 1st choice: Wyeast's 2308 Munich lager yeast (Ferment at 47-52\xb0 [8-11\xb0C] for 14 days then at 57-62\xb0F [14-17\xb0C] for the remainder of fermentation) 2nd choice: Wyeast's 2206 Bavarian lager yeast (Ferment at 47-52\xb0 [8-11\xb0C])\t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Thank you very much Newtown for the in depth responses. Much appreciated. Having not yet done a grain brew, this is a bit daunting, but I do think I'm ready to take the plunge, as I'm not entirely satisfied with the extract beers. Don't get me wrong, they are simple to make, and very easy to drink, but I do like a beer with more flavour and character. And grain brews is what I see myself brewing in the future anyway. Cheers. P.S. I have only tried the Zywiec Porter, which was very nice, so I'd be guessing that this is similar. Will put it on the to do list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 The Okocim Porter is also very nice. More styles to add to my list [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Just out of pure curiosity Tony, what are you using as a fermenter? And is that just a temp guage hooked up? [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Just out of pure curiosity Tony' date=' what are you using as a fermenter? And is that just a temp guage hooked up?[/quote'] Coopers DIY FV and yes [biggrin] Until i get my temperature controller delivered then it will go into the fridge i got for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Oh, that's the DIY one. . . Sweet. I brought a new one (25L water bottle) from Big-W last week, didnt have enough for the whole kit. I like the look of that one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Here it is with the Krausen Collar on and with the collar off The lump in the brew is my hop bag [joyful] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I forgot about this one [roll] I did a taste test awhile ago on youtube of the Zywiec Porter. Zywiec Porter I was going to do a channel on booze but i am too slack [annoyed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snags Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 Haha, yeah it is a nice brew. . All the Polish beers seem to struggle somewhat with head retention. Just for future reference, Zywiec is pronounced "Shiv-ee-etz" [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Haha, yeah it is a nice brew. . All the Polish beers seem to struggle somewhat with head retention. Just for future reference, Zywiec is pronounced "Shiv-ee-etz" [biggrin] As long as it doesnt give me the Sheeetz [pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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