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ok muddy i went to bigger bunnings today and yes!!!....i saw the 30 litre fv's...no wuckers brother.....im still getting a coopers starters kit but there ARE gunna be two of those babys in my brew area...within a very short space of time...they are perfect

and as you said...only 20 bucks...bargain, cheers for the heads up brother.[biggrin]

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They are called water containers but they can be used as an FV. They look like the old coopers FVs before they brought out the DIY kits.

 

They are a plastic barrel with a lid and a tap.

 

They look like these 'camper cans'.

 

Camper Cans

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I have a couple of the "Carry Can with tap" ones that I use as my cubes for storing my brews awaiting fermentation. They didn't come with taps but there is provision there for a tap. Thinking of getting a couple more.. although that would just make me want to brew more. [lol]

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Do you know what these are made of? PP or HDPE. I could go and have a look but the nearest Bunnos is miles away.

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the bunnings i went to yestersday had both the round barrel type plus they had the cube one also with screw top lid.they are 30 litre...will be perfect i reckon. they seem solid enough for sure. i was quite pleased to find them thanks to Muddy.

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Do you know what these are made of? PP or HDPE. I could go and have a look but the nearest Bunnos is miles away.

i dont know what PP or HDPE is..they seem the same material as the cubes and jerry cans etc

 

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Glad you like them Ned [biggrin]

 

Milky - I'm not sure what they're mad of off hand...I do know it is whichever plastic is suited to brewing. They are quite popular in brewing circles [cool]

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Glad you like them Ned [biggrin]

 

Milky - I'm not sure what they're mad of off hand...I do know it is whichever plastic is suited to brewing. They are quite popular in brewing circles [cool]

Cheers for that Muddy

I have been looking around BigW and the likes and most plastics they carry carry a warning not to use hot water. I have been trying to find a cooler suitable for mashing grains and a camper can suitable for no chill.

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too, I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol]

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too' date=' I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol']

yeah the bunnings in ulladulla didnt have them but we wree up at wollongong the other day and they had them....i bought a new fv today...30 litre drum type the same as a brigalow one....ive got the grains soaking today, will do another Yobstefr Ale tomorrow

 

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i dont know what PP or HDPE is..they seem the same material as the cubes and jerry cans etc

 

Hey Ned

Being a WHS Risk manager I'm a bit anal about these things. If you are going to put hot wort, or mix a hot work in plastic you need to make sure you use the right kind of plastic. Lots of plastics leach toxins when exposed to hot water.

Hear is a link there are plenty but this one keeps it simple.

 

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i dont know what PP or HDPE is..they seem the same material as the cubes and jerry cans etc

 

Hey Ned

Being a WHS Risk manager I'm a bit anal about these things. If you are going to put hot wort, or mix a hot work in plastic you need to make sure you use the right kind of plastic. Lots of plastics leach toxins when exposed to hot water.

Hear is a link there are plenty but this one keeps it simple.

i see your point but ill check it out before i buy.....thats what i love about this forum...between the lot of us we can steer each other and give eachother the heads up about stuff...so whick do you recommend to use ??? oops i just read the link...ill look into that thanks for the tip mate[biggrin]

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too' date=' I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol']

yeah the bunnings in ulladulla didnt have them but we wree up at wollongong the other day and they had them....i bought a new fv today...30 litre drum type the same as a brigalow one....ive got the grains soaking today, will do another Yobstefr Ale tomorrow

Jeez Ned, at this rate you'll be going from Bucket Brew to AG in a couple of months??

 

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too' date=' I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol']

yeah the bunnings in ulladulla didnt have them but we wree up at wollongong the other day and they had them....i bought a new fv today...30 litre drum type the same as a brigalow one....ive got the grains soaking today, will do another Yobstefr Ale tomorrow

Jeez Ned, at this rate you'll be going from Bucket Brew to AG in a couple of months??

i think its just K&B for me Nick...im just trying to make three brews before i go to hospital...ill be off the wagon mostly for 5 weeks then a sorta slow progression back on again......space etc will keep me at K&B but thanks to you guys on here at least im making WAAAAAY better beer these days...im very glad i found this forum......[biggrin] and not just for the great beer alone, you guys have cheered my days and nites up no end...your all frkn nutzo...thats how i like it lol

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too' date=' I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol']

yeah the bunnings in ulladulla didnt have them but we wree up at wollongong the other day and they had them....i bought a new fv today...30 litre drum type the same as a brigalow one....ive got the grains soaking today, will do another Yobstefr Ale tomorrow

Jeez Ned, at this rate you'll be going from Bucket Brew to AG in a couple of months??

i think its just K&B for me Nick...im just trying to make three brews before i go to hospital...ill be off the wagon mostly for 5 weeks then a sorta slow progression back on again......space etc will keep me at K&B but thanks to you guys on here at least im making WAAAAAY better beer these days...im very glad i found this forum......[biggrin] and not just for the great beer alone, you guys have cheered my days and nites up no end...your all frkn nutzo...thats how i like it lol

just cos you wont be drinking or brewing for a few weeks doesnt mean we'll be giving you a leave pass from the forum old mate[ninja]

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I got my cubes from a camping shop. They had all different sizes too' date=' I went for 25 litre ones, they complement my 40 litre urn well actually. Add 35 litres at the start and by the end I fill the cube practically to the top. I did try the Bunnings nearby but they didn't sell them or if they did I couldn't bloody find them. [lol']

yeah the bunnings in ulladulla didnt have them but we wree up at wollongong the other day and they had them....i bought a new fv today...30 litre drum type the same as a brigalow one....ive got the grains soaking today, will do another Yobstefr Ale tomorrow

Jeez Ned, at this rate you'll be going from Bucket Brew to AG in a couple of months??

i think its just K&B for me Nick...im just trying to make three brews before i go to hospital...ill be off the wagon mostly for 5 weeks then a sorta slow progression back on again......space etc will keep me at K&B but thanks to you guys on here at least im making WAAAAAY better beer these days...im very glad i found this forum......[biggrin] and not just for the great beer alone, you guys have cheered my days and nites up no end...your all frkn nutzo...thats how i like it lol

just cos you wont be drinking or brewing for a few weeks doesnt mean we'll be giving you a leave pass from the forum old mate[ninja]

ill still be coming into forum...swmbo and i are booked into lodge opposite the hospital....and im taking net with me.....so all will be the same except ill have three brews done and bottled to come home to

 

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i dont know what PP or HDPE is..they seem the same material as the cubes and jerry cans etc

 

Hey Ned

Being a WHS Risk manager I'm a bit anal about these things. If you are going to put hot wort, or mix a hot work in plastic you need to make sure you use the right kind of plastic. Lots of plastics leach toxins when exposed to hot water.

Hear is a link there are plenty but this one keeps it simple.

i havent bought the other f.v's as yet but your thoughts made me go check my double batch barrells i use they have HDPE stamped under them?

 

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HDPE - recycle symbol 2

PP - recycle symbol 5

 

HDPE can withstand temps of 120c for a short period and 110c continuosly and not release toxins.

PP can withstand much higher temps, in fact it is autoclavable. Recent research has found it can leach quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide at high temps. Safe to use but I wouldn't fill one with boiling wort.

Just checked. All the cubes, jerry cans, and fermenters I own are all HDPE

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HDPE - recycle symbol 2

PP - recycle symbol 5

 

HDPE can withstand temps of 120c for a short period and 110c continuosly and not release toxins.

PP can withstand much higher temps, in fact it is autoclavable. Recent research has found it can leach quaternary ammonium biocides and oleamide at high temps. Safe to use but I wouldn't fill one with boiling wort.

Just checked. All the cubes, jerry cans, and fermenters I own are all HDPE

kool i usually mix in a large pot first anyhow but ill make sure i do all the same...cheers everyone,Ned

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HDPE - recycle symbol 2

PP - recycle symbol 5

 

HDPE can withstand temps of 120c for a short period and 110c continuosly and not release toxins.

 

Hi NewtownClown,

 

I can't agree with HDPE that handles those high temps. I use these materials daily to manufacture tanks from 300 lit up to 30000 lt. HDPE can only handle 60C every now and again and 45C cont. The vicat softening piont is at 65C and melt temp at 120C

 

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HDPE - recycle symbol 2

PP - recycle symbol 5

 

HDPE can withstand temps of 120c for a short period and 110c continuosly and not release toxins.

 

Hi NewtownClown,

 

I can't agree with HDPE that handles those high temps. I use these materials daily to manufacture tanks from 300 lit up to 30000 lt. HDPE can only handle 60C every now and again and 45C cont. The vicat softening piont is at 65C and melt temp at 120C

hiya Flea so which do you think is the safest to brew in??? i dont actually trust ANY plastcic with melting points etc ...i was just wondering what you thought was the safest as far as toxins etc go...cheers Ned

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Hi Nedg,

 

Plastic only start to release toxins once they start to degrade . That is way past the vicat & melting point. Any plastic with the recycle mark on and is translucent "can" be food & drug approved and safe for potable water and food contact. PP can handle a much higher temp than PE.

Then you get the diffrent densities. High, Medium, Low.

HDPE,MDPE,LDPE. The higher the density, the higher temp it can handle. Plastics acts the same as steel when oxidation takes place (degration). The more you expose the plastic to its max operating temp, the faster it degrades. With PE try and keep the operating temp at 45C. PP at 80C operating temp. Try to buy local, stay away from imports.[rightful] Rather pay-more and stay safe. Rember that the plastic will fail and spill your beer before it poison you.

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Hi Nedg,

 

Plastic only start to release toxins once they start to degrade . That is way past the vicat & melting point. Any plastic with the recycle mark on and is translucent "can" be food & drug approved and safe for potable water and food contact. PP can handle a much higher temp than PE.

Then you get the diffrent densities. High, Medium, Low.

HDPE,MDPE,LDPE. The higher the density, the higher temp it can handle. Plastics acts the same as steel when oxidation takes place (degration). The more you expose the plastic to its max operating temp, the faster it degrades. With PE try and keep the operating temp at 45C. PP at 80C operating temp. Try to buy local, stay away from imports.[rightful] Rather pay-more and stay safe. Rember that the plastic will fail and spill your beer before it poison you.

thankyou very much Flea...much appreciated. my apologies for not acknowledging this post of yours sooner....i had read it ...just got side tracked...[innocent] [bandit] [pinched] [biggrin]

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