Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Hi everyone, I'm looking at doing the Centenarillo Ale soon, but my LHBS doesn't stock Centennial. They do have Amarillo and Cascade though, so I was wondering how it would turn out to replace the Centennial with Cascade, and would I have to alter the amount at all? Cheers, Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Using Cascade will not be the same. However, it would still be a nice drop as Cascade and Amarillo go well together [joyful] Keep all the late hops as they are then bitter using the Cascade to the required IBUs. You will need more Cascade simply because Centennial hops have a higher percentage of Alpha Acids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 wouldnt that make it a Casarillo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Indeed it would Yob! [lol] I reckon I will do that then, probably in 2 weeks when I empty my fermenters into bottles. How much you reckon for the Cascade.. 25g ? 30g? 40? The recipe calls for 20g Centennial. Cheers, Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 erm... Id check the AA's of both and just wing it, depends on what you want to be more up front.. either way it's going to be a good session beer.. I havnt brewed that beer but Ive used Centennial and Cascade loads.. also love Amarillo and my preference would be to load up the Amarillo Centennial is often refered to as Super Cascade so I'd go 1/4 more by weight of Cascade than Centennial. Yob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Cool. Well according to Craftbrewer's website Cascade is 6.2% and Centennial is 9.2% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Well the "crisis" has been averted. I managed to get into Craftbrewer on my travels at work today and picked up some Centennial and Amarillo. [biggrin] I'll get the malt tins next weekend when I have a bit more money to spare, I won't be brewing til then anyway. Looking forward to this, it'll be my first brew without using hopped beer kits. Cheers, Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I used to bang both those hops into the CPA can.. bitterness from there, cascade and amarillo to taste... + the DME + the grain additions mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [love] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted April 29, 2012 Author Share Posted April 29, 2012 Might have to try that one some time! Just another question, I put this recipe into Ian's spreadsheet, there's an option to choose "Hop Concentration Factor" on it, when it's set to "NO" the IBUs are at 56.7, when set to "YES" it comes out at 36.5. This is with a 6 litre boil, boil gravity at 1040, and hop schedule as per recipe, using AA% quoted on the packs. Which is more accurate? Cheers, Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Ummmm, the Centenarillo comes out at about 30-31 IBUs. Even 36.5% is too high imo. I reckon you haven't adjusted the AA% for the hops. See my first post: Keep all the late hops as they are then bitter using the Cascade to the required IBUs. You will need more Cascade simply because Centennial hops have a higher percentage of Alpha Acids. Make sure you adjust the AA% to reflect the true IBUs in the spreadsheet then adjust the hops to come out at about 31 IBU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 On my packets the AA% for Centennial is 10.5 and Amarillo 9.2, so I just put those figures into the spreadsheet, to get it around 31IBU on those percentages I had to change the Centennial to 15g instead of 20g, which is with a 5 litre boil and that "HCF" option set to "YES". When it's set to "NO" it comes out at 52.3[lol] On the 6 litre boil I have to reduce the Centennial to 11g to get an IBU of 31.4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 I tried a bottle of this yesterday after a week in the bottle. My final recipe was: 2x1.5 kg tins of TC Light Malt (liquid) 500g Dex 15g Centennial @ 30 mins 40g Amarillo @ 20 mins 40g Amarillo @ 10 mins 6 litre boil with 780g of the Light Malt US-05 yeast Made to 23 litres. OG 1048 FG 1011 5.5% ABV Even after a week this has turned out excellently, it will have a couple of months in the bottles now before I get to it so should be even better by then. There's a distinct hop aroma and flavour to it, which I rather enjoyed, and for my tastes at least, the bitterness is nicely balanced against the malt flavour. I think the IBU was around 34, at least that's what the spreadsheet calculated based on my hop additions and boil size. Definitely be making this one again[biggrin] Cheers, Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Glad you like it Kelsey. It would have to be one of my favorite Extracts recipes. 34 IBU is fine and next time you do it you can adjust to suit your tastes now that you know what to expect. Truely a nice drop this one! [love] ... well done Neill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmanson Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Hey Kelsey, Was gonna give this a try, was this the exact recipe for Neils Centenarillo ? Hard to find it and this thread seems to be the only place i can find it. also, any dry hopping happening with this one? cheers Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 From somewhere on AHB: 2 x 1.5kg Coopers LME tins (pale) 500g Dextrose 20g Centennial @ 30 min 40g Amarillo @ 20 min 40g Amarillo @ 10 min Total 31 IBU OG 1058 The AA% of the hops will alter the IBU so you may need to adjust the quantities. Great beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 My question on this recipe is why only a 30 min boil? Is it because the ibus needed are met with a 30 min boil? I guess I am asking why on some recipes is it a 30min boil, Neils Centrillo Ale being one but on others a 60min boil is recommended? I tried an extract brew lager/pilsner thing with a 30 min boil using perle and it was way to sweet and I was told to do a 60 min boil? Is it due to the beer style, ales versus pilsners? I am showing my ignorance but I have been trying to understand this for a couple of weeks, and my research ( googling ) has brought different views specifically in the recipes. I think this is a fair forum for this question as it deals with this recipe and others like it...but if I have stepped out of line I apologize. I am planning on brewing this in about a month so that should help...then maybe trying it with a 60 min at same ibus...but why would I extend the boil if I dont have too...I am confused to say the least. Thanks y'all Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaginativeName Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Hi Kelsey, Welcome to the wonderful world of home brewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Just read this article and it pretty much explains what I was trying to figure out. http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hi Kelsey' date=' Welcome to the wonderful world of home brewing [img']biggrin[/img] Thanks mate Larfleeze, I suspect it just depends on the recipe but I don't see many extract recipes with full 60 minute boils. The reason it's done in AG brewing is more to do with wort composition than hopping, as you often read of brewers only adding hops in the last 10 or 20 minutes of a boil, even if the wort is actually boiled for 60-90 minutes. With extract you don't need a full 60 minute boil for wort composition reasons, so if a recipe only contains hopping from 20 or 30 minutes down, then you only need to boil it for that long. I always liked to boil it for a few minutes before adding the hops to allow the foaming to subside, so it was more like a 35 minute boil with the first hop addition at 30 minutes left. I still do this now with my AG batches. Cheers Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Cheers Kelsey! I have read everything I could find on this, but it helps if someone also chimes in to provide more detail and actual experience to the information, I was at the point where I was truly confused. Like most things with this homebrewing, you have to get your hands dirty and do it, or you are just theorizing and probably will end up talking to yourself in a corner going crazy because for ever process their is a variation. I was going to try to brew the Centenrillo Ale after I make a pear cider, then after I make that try the Centenrillo Ale again but reduce the boil times but up the grams to get the same IBU's... I have no idea if it will work, but from what I have read why would'nt it? The only way to know is to try it. Cheers, Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 I'd only increase the amount of the 30 minute addition, that's what I did when I brewed it... the two 40g Amarillo additions were kept and I just adjusted the Centennial to get the IBUs around the 33/34 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellScott Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Posting here so I don't hijack another thread... Any reason in particular that there is no flameout/dry hop additions? Is the targeted aroma and flavour achieved by just the boil hop additions? Looks yummy, I might have to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 You'd have to ask Neill, but it was certainly a very nice beer brewed to the recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellScott Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, Otto Von Blotto said: You'd have to ask Neill, but it was certainly a very nice beer brewed to the recipe. Will stick to the recipe. Just had a look on AHB, might even steep 200g of crystal in it to improve the head/body a little. Looks like he re-brewed it with that and liked the outcome. Sweet! Got my next brew sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos_1984 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Was just reading this and thinking "why the bloody hell has Kelsey switched back to extract" then realised the date. Makes sense. Must have been good though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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