Johnny Brew-Good Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 HI , I noticed in the FAQ's that the differance between Ales and Lagers was explained principally by the strain of yeast used . The DICTIONARY OF DRINK AND DRINKING, by Oscar a. Mendelson {Macmillan 1963} page 9 [annoyed] [yes its a real book!],States that Ales do not contain hops as opposed to most Beers[roll] Are the modern names for our commercial beers or ales now just marketing terms ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Hi Johnny A beer without hops would be very, very, very sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kearnage Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Stolen gratuitously from Wikipedia... 'The term "ale" was initially used to describe a drink brewed without hops, unlike "beer."' 'Ale typically has bittering agent(s) to balance the sweetness of the malt and to act as a preservative. Ale was originally bittered with gruit, a mixture of herbs (sometimes spices) which was boiled in the wort prior to fermentation. Later, hops replaced the gruit blend in common usage as the sole bittering agent.' Anyone keen on fixing up some gruit? [biggrin] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Anyone keen on fixing up some gruit? [biggrin] After a few homebrews i am usually a bit gruited, is this similar? [pinched] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Stolen gratuitously from Wikipedia... 'The term "ale" was initially used to describe a drink brewed without hops, unlike "beer."' 'Ale typically has bittering agent(s) to balance the sweetness of the malt and to act as a preservative. Ale was originally bittered with gruit, a mixture of herbs (sometimes spices) which was boiled in the wort prior to fermentation. Later, hops replaced the gruit blend in common usage as the sole bittering agent.' Anyone keen on fixing up some gruit? [biggrin] Well how about that! I knew that hops were introduced to beer at some stage but I had no idea what was used before that. Very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Brew-Good Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ah ! the wisdom of the ancient skilled brewers, When the drinking of water was considered a health hazard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neck Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I do believe that at one point in the general vicinity of england it was actually deemed illegal to hop their "ale" as they considered it a seperate drink, but as time wore on brewers secretly used the bittering awesomeness that is hop until it became commonplace. Perhaps someone else knows a little more detail about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kearnage Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 All sorts of information here, not sure how reliable; GRUIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Brew-Good Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 as the ancient babilonoans may have breathed '' chscked it out me ol mate'' [rightful] [rightful] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I remember reading somewhere that is is not only the strain of yeast, but that it was a winter beer fermented longer at lower temperatures, and then cold "lager-ed" for some time before drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I remember reading somewhere that is is not only the strain of yeast' date=' but that it was a winter beer fermented longer at lower temperatures, and then cold "lager-ed" for some time before drinking.[/quote'] lol where did you read that crap?.... the seasons DO NOT determine if it is a Lager or Ale. The yeast determines if it comes out as a lager or an ale. However, Lager is another word for "storage" but when talking in terms such as the OP, Lager is the yeast strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I do believe that at one point in the general vicinity of england it was actually deemed illegal to hop their "ale" as they considered it a seperate drink' date=' but as time wore on brewers secretly used the bittering awesomeness that is hop until it became commonplace. Perhaps someone else knows a little more detail about this?[/quote'] I believe that was more about the fact that the king had a tax on spices, the use of hops would have taken a chunk out of that and thus use of hops was banned... cant recall where I heard/read this so I could just be making it up [lol] Yob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewingBenny Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have a coopers lager with brew enhancer 1, anyone recommend the best, top shelf yeast to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Depends what kind of beer you want to make Benny...but one piece of general advice I'd give you is to toss our the BE1 and replace it with 1kg of LDM. But you asked about yeast - my favourite APA yeast is US-05 but that doesn't suit all styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 +1 for US-05 for an ale. If you want to make a lager then I recommend S-189 (link below). Swiss Lager Yeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverthorn Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I have a couple of Wormwood plants growing that I am planing to try at some time soon. I believe apart from it's famed use to make Absenth it is the second bitterest herb. It has a strong citrus overtone and I think it would make a nice addition to a crisp Pale Ale. Anyone tried Wormwood or any suggestions of how to use it as a bittering agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregF7 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I do believe that a Lager beer is one that has been fermented and stored in a cool location. From memory around 14 degrees c. Yes it does require a special yeast to ferment at these temperatures. Most yeast supplied in the kit will just go to sleep at this temperature. To make a lager (at the correct Temp) I use Saflager S-23 yeast. Google that and you will see the correct temperature range. Works a treat for me. Hope this helps, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Isn't Wormwood a known hallucinogen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Apparently, but having never consumed it, I can't confirm or deny its hallucinogenic powers...[tongue] I do like absinthe but I doubt any of the ones available in Australia would actually contain Wormwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barramullafella Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Goanna Brewery makes Mackay Lager. Tried a schooner of this yesterday and was a nice drop. Very fruity smell and taste, first sip and as the drink got lower the taste changed to a malty flavour and was a pleasant sour taste. I noticed the lager left no after taste on the tongue once swallowed. Was a sharp and clean taste. Dangerous as came across as a good thirst quencher lol. If ya ever in the Mackay Queensland area drop in to Schnitty in a Box and try some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journeyman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Let me just ehume this thread here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Micky Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 9/29/2012 at 12:42 AM, GregF7 said: I do believe that a Lager beer is one that has been fermented and stored in a cool location. From memory around 14 degrees c. Yes it does require a special yeast to ferment at these temperatures. Most yeast supplied in the kit will just go to sleep at this temperature. To make a lager (at the correct Temp) I use Saflager S-23 yeast. Google that and you will see the correct temperature range. Works a treat for me. Hope this helps, Greg Mate get onboard the Dubbya train, it's a ripper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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