therealthing691 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Would just like peoples opinion I think it looks Ok but I like others opinions are great I think thanks in advance guys 3kg maris otter / Gladfeilds ale malt .3 Wheat malt .4kg carapils ,5kg Quick oats woolworths .175kg Lactose 15g columbus 15mins 38g mosiac + 38g citra cubed at 82c 75g of both mosaic and citra at day 3 for 48hrs 38g of both mosaic and citra at day 7 for 48hrs Total hops 315g and 16L in the fermenter ibu's low 70's approx US-05 or Bry-97 unsure What do you all think cheers Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 bry-970g og 1065 fg 1021 Us-05 og 1065 fg 1015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 IBU too high for a NEIPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddyBrew2 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Why the lactose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Ben 10 said: IBU too high for a NEIPA yes it is a little I decided to drop it the 2 38g's are now 30 and the 15 g fwh is 12 g not 15 and its in the top end but in range cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 6 hours ago, PaddyBrew2 said: Why the lactose? just most neipa I have brought and like have it in there cheers Paddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 How do you get 70 odd IBUs from a 15 minute boil of a small amount of Columbus plus a cube hop? Something's not right there, even for a 16 litre batch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 mmmmm that's what brewers friend tells me at 82c 16 hours ago, Otto Von Blotto said: How do you get 70 odd IBUs from a 15 minute boil of a small amount of Columbus plus a cube hop? Something's not right there, even for a 16 litre batch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 what would you say it should be Kelsey . I am always up for all suggestions but that's what it tells me in brewers friend ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 18 hours ago, therealthing691 said: top end but in range Is there a style guideline for NEIPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Otto Von Blotto Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 A cube hop at 82 degrees would be lucky to contribute 10 IBUs unless you used hundreds of grams. The isomerisation rate would be very slow, and the wort would cool below 80 relatively quickly. Given that, 15g of any pellet or flower hop boiled for 15 minutes isn't gonna provide ~60 IBUs either. I'd expect in total it would be around the 40 mark give or take. The actual amounts and timings used would probably work well for the beer, but the IBU figure is way out. I usually cube hop about 35-40g when I do it and estimate it at around 3-5 IBUs depending on the hops used. I do fill the cube hotter, around 90, but with those batches it sits for 10 minutes then goes in the pool to chill down under isomerisation temps. These types of additions don't really taste bitter either like a long boiled addition would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Otto Von Blotto said: How do you get 70 odd IBUs from a 15 minute boil of a small amount of Columbus plus a cube hop? Something's not right there, even for a 16 litre batch. have I calculated wrong ? on the cube addition I did them as whirl pool at 82 c in brewers friend but I agree with you Otto you have much more knowledge about it then me . Are was writing and realized you answered .I will be chilling mine by putting it in my fermenting fridge/freezer and setting it on a lower temp to cool it quick/quicker or letting it cool slower will give me more ibu,s . so (90c you reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, therealthing691 said: the 15min gives me 14 ibu,s the other I have punched something in wrong my bad glad you mentioned it as ibu,s between 40 to 60 would be good dont mind 60 or a touch higher but defainely no lower than 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Otto Von Blotto said: A cube hop at 82 degrees would be lucky to contribute 10 IBUs unless you used hundreds of grams. The isomerisation rate would be very slow, and the wort would cool below 80 relatively quickly. Given that, 15g of any pellet or flower hop boiled for 15 minutes isn't gonna provide ~60 IBUs either. I'd expect in total it would be around the 40 mark give or take. The actual amounts and timings used would probably work well for the beer, but the IBU figure is way out. I usually cube hop about 35-40g when I do it and estimate it at around 3-5 IBUs depending on the hops used. I do fill the cube hotter, around 90, but with those batches it sits for 10 minutes then goes in the pool to chill down under isomerisation temps. These types of additions don't really taste bitter either like a long boiled addition would. Hey thanks Kelsey I realise where I made my error % % % on cube additions rookie mistake thanks for pointing it out I going to readjust hops a bit more at 15mins and the cube at 90c thanks once again you are a wealth of knowledge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaS1 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Given the oats, I would not put lactose in. You don't need it, and your FG will end up too high for the style. I have never seen lactose in an NEIPA recipe; I think it is quite unusual. Cheers, Christina. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 hours ago, ChristinaS1 said: I have never seen lactose in an NEIPA recipe; I think it is quite unusual. Cheers, Christina. Milkshake IPA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaS1 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Hairy said: Milkshake IPA Ah. Something new to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 But you are right about fg would be to high for a Neipa .The amount of oats I am using I think I might drop the lactose it isn't really needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 That 90 degree cube temp is just an estimate. I once measured the wort at 92 degrees after it sat 20 minutes after flameout, but by the time it was in the cube it had dropped to about 88 degrees. Given my slight change of process since, it's probably sitting around 87-88 before it goes in now. From my reading, NEIPAs are characterised by big late/flameout additions and little in the way of anything earlier, so you would get a pretty good result from putting most of the hops in at flameout and in the cube with a small earlier addition. A big dry hop too but that comes later of course. The one IPA I've brewed so far was bordering on NEIPA territory and it wasn't what I really wanted. For the style I was doing, there should have been more long boiled hops. I might have to brew another one when I get more hops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) Well did it today it went like this I changed it a little 3kg American ale malt .4kg Best wheat .4kg carapils .5kg quick oats ..3kg rice hulls Hops 16g columbus@15mins 38g mosaic + 40 citra in the cube at 90c have 160 citra 140 mosaic to add in 2 doses one at high krausen and another at day 7 or so Got just over 70% bh which seems to be my normal which I am happy with So will be just shy of 400g / 16l 25g / L the most I have ever hopped a beer Edited May 26, 2019 by therealthing691 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 well I dosed the dry hopping a little more as I had extra hops LOL. first dose was 60g mosaic 15g simcoe 75g citra at day day 3 and removed after 72hrs 2nd dose is 100g citra and 75g mosaic smell really nice so far cant wait to smell it at bottling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I’m looking forward to the results 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) so am I I love very hop forward beer I hope this is very tasty LOL Edited June 2, 2019 by therealthing691 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealthing691 Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just took a reading where down to 1011 just added the 2nd dose of DH so I think after the 2nd dose have done there thing I will transfer to a secondary for a few days then bottle this weekend coming the colour is amazing at bottling will post some pictures cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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