Beerlust Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Hi guys. I'm planning a Pale Ale style beer but with a different tint/hue to it. Although my recent batches of beers have been tasting great, I thought the colour of my beers had become a little generic & boring, so I want to do something about that. I recently bought 500gms of each of these malts to give them a try to help me throw a reddish hue on my next pale ale beer. One thing I didn't know about Red-X malt is that it is considered a base malt, thus has very high potential & fermentability. The CaraRed though is typical of a crystal malt with lower fermentability, but imparts a reddish colour to the wort. I'm just wanting a reddish tint/hue to the beer without a lot of residual sweetness. Given Red-X Malt only has an EBC around 28, & CaraRed has an EBC around 50, I thought 200-250gms of CaraRed would be enough, & maybe 300-500gms of the Red-X. I cannot find any flavour descriptors for the Red-X malt. At a guess I'd say it is somewhat like Vienna Malt flavour-wise (given the beers I've seen it used in), but throws a heavier red tint/hue? I did have a read of a number of posts & looked at a few pics of some good looking beers that guys here on the forum have put up about beers containing Red-X, but not much out there on it's flavour profile. Even from the BestMalz site. I would appreciate hearing thoughts from guys that have used both or either of these malts in beers they've made & any pics would be a bonus to look at from my perspective to give me an idea of what weights threw what colour & flavour profile etc. Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergy1987 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 This was my pale ale kit with 200g of Carared and a bit of pale crystal......yep got a bit sweet so balance hops accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 i have used red=x and was not wowed by it. Martin has a fair bit of information regarding it here https://nationalhomebrew.com.au/beer/grains-and-malts-best-malz/beergrains-and-maltsbest-malz-red-x-malt that has some good advice. regarding red, i believe caraaroma gives better colour than carared. my little irish red shown below had reasonable colour from caraaroma and roast barley and some light crystal. i have used this https://nationalhomebrew.com.au/beer/grains-and-malts-castle-malts/castle-cara-ruby in my flanders red with a little caraaroma as well and that is a very nice deep red colour, although unable to present for a photoshoot as it is still underage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Voyager's SM40 could be worth a look too... http://www.voyagercraftmalt.com.au/Flipbooks/#p=22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 The I am drinking right now is the Rocks Red IIPA. I will take a photo when I pour the next one. These are the details on the can with regards to Gladfield malts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beer Baron Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hairy said: You need the torch behind the glass Hairy. Maybe do it for the next one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I have read the the Gladfields Shepherds Delight and Red Back malt give a nice red colour to a beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Beer Baron said: You need the torch behind the glass Hairy. Maybe do it for the next one I got a torch for Christmas that would light up a football field. Will that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, Hairy said: I got a torch for Christmas that would light up a football field. Will that work? Ha ha ha. Maybe put the torch at one end of the field and the beer at the other end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, Beer Baron said: Ha ha ha. Maybe put the torch at one end of the field and the beer at the other end Ha ha. Here is a dodgy photo with a dolphin torch clearly seen in the background lighting up the base and stem. It just looks creepy now. Thanks for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, Hairy said: Ha ha. Here is a dodgy photo with a dolphin torch clearly seen in the background lighting up the base and stem. It just looks creepy now. Thanks for the tip. Maybe you should be like my wife and not listen to anything I say ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschemad911 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 After drinking through a batch of my 100% Red-X beer, I probably wouldn't make it again. Tasted like Munich on steroids as the hops dropped out a little. If I tried it again I would up the hopping, eg IPA levels vs smooth balanced lager levels. I don't think a little bit of Red-X will give you much colour influence, but working with what you have, maybe using 500g of that plus 250g Carared for a 23l batch would be a good start. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Thanks a heap for your thoughts, pics, & links guys. Much appreciated. It's given me a few ideas. You can also use other malts (with these two) to encourage a colour in this direction & I have a plan in mind now. I'm not specifically looking for any particular colour, just something away from my usual grist colour, & red seemed like a nice colour zone to head towards. 16 hours ago, Hairy said: The I am drinking right now is the Rocks Red IIPA. I will take a photo when I pour the next one. These are the details on the can with regards to Gladfield malts. Interesting you put this up when you did Hairy. I was looking through the Gladfield Malts website yesterday & they have a home brew recipe for a Red IPA that uses a similar grist. https://www.gladfieldmalt.co.nz/home-brewer/brewing-recipes/ Cheers & good brewing, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSands Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Beer Baron said: I have read the the Gladfields Shepherds Delight and Red Back malt give a nice red colour to a beer It's the combination I usually use... along with their Aurora malt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ruddager Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I made a Red X Smash and yeah, it was a bit like munich, but I wouldn't say munich on steroids (having also done a munich Smash) I also made a Red X based Viking Beer and THAT was the best one I've made. I suppose the rye and other things just went together really nicely with it. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Beerlust said: Thanks a heap for your thoughts, pics, & links guys. Much appreciated. It's given me a few ideas. You can also use other malts (with these two) to encourage a colour in this direction & I have a plan in mind now. I'm not specifically looking for any particular colour, just something away from my usual grist colour, & red seemed like a nice colour zone to head towards. Interesting you put this up when you did Hairy. I was looking through the Gladfield Malts website yesterday & they have a home brew recipe for a Red IPA that uses a similar grist. https://www.gladfieldmalt.co.nz/home-brewer/brewing-recipes/ Cheers & good brewing, Lusty. That Red IPA is on my list of beers to brew in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I put this recipe together built around my own knowledge along with the cool info, links & pics you guys offered up. Spilt Enz Icy Red Pale Ale Coopers Light Liquid Malt extract 1.5kgs Light Dry Malt extract 250gms Coopers Pilsner/Lager Malt grain 500gms Best Malz Red-X Malt grain 500gms Weyermann CaraRed grain 300gms Weyermann Dark Wheat Malt grain 200gms Dextrose 100gms Fortnight 15gms @ 60mins Cascade 20gms @ 15mins Simcoe 20gms @ 5mins Riwaka 20gms @ flameout (5min steep prior to cooling) Cascade, Columbus, Riwaka, & Simcoe 25gms each dry hopped Harvested CCA yeast (2 litre starter) Brewed to 21 litres Ferment @ 19°C OG = approx. 1.050, FG = ? EBC = 13.9, IBU = 40.6 ABV = approx. 4.9% First time down this red path for me so the malt grist may need some tweaking to get it to where I want. Yeast & hop schedule should produce something pretty yum though so happy with that. What do you guys think? As the late "Big Kev" used to say, "I'm Excited!!" Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Love the name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, Hairy said: Love the name! A slight moment of type 'O'/dyslexia combined with the short time-frame for editing on the Coopers forum. But after re-reading the title a few times,...I like it. Thanks for your input mate. Much appreciated. Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Can’t get it perfectly correct due to copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 the dark wheat, is that like a roast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ben 10 said: the dark wheat, is that like a roast? No. EBC seems to vary each year with it, but seems to sit between 14-19. http://shop.beerbelly.com.au/weyermannr-dark-wheat-malt-19-ebc.html Understand what it gives to the beer it was developed around, then use it like a specialty malt in the beers you like to make I say. One of the most under-estimated, under-valued, & under-used malt grains with massive upside I can think of when looking at recipes across many spectrums. A grain that has sooo much going for it (IMHO), it's ridiculous really. I can't believe more brewers aren't using it. Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschemad911 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, Beerlust said: A grain that has sooo much going for it (IMHO), it's ridiculous really. I can't believe more brewers aren't using it. I have brewed Dunkelweizen a couple of different ways. The first was based on the usual method I see around in recipes of pale wheat / pils / munich / crystal / roasted malt. The second was with dark wheat / dark munich / pils malt only. The second was much better! Edit: Also your recipe sounds tasty. Good luck! Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerlust said: I can't believe more brewers aren't using it. i have seen that actually and wondered about it.... send me one of these if you think it is worthy... you will have a flanders coming sometime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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