James Lao Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hi all, Did a brew today on the Robo Chinook, Cascade, Citra and Mosaic IPA. Maris Otter, Munich and Cararye 1.059 and 59 IBUs I forgot to buy / add Whirlfloc to the brew. Anybody done this before and if so, what was the outcome? Got another brew planned for 4 days time, don’t know if I can get to the not so LHBS in time for it...... Will make a special trip if advice suggests .... The future looks cloudy....???? Cheers James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSands Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I've forgotten whirlfloc numerous times. I think it does help with end clarity as I'm pretty sure these brews ended up hazier than I would normally expect. Having said that though I have had brews where I DID add whirlfloc that still ended up with quite poor clarity. There's seems to be so many variables involved that it's quite hard to really be sure what contributes, and by how much, to the final clarity of the beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 To me if just helps to flocculate the hot break in the kettle so you can then whirlpool and keep most of it out of your cube. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I did it a couple of times unintentionally and to be honest the beer was shit by comparison to the same beer brewed with kettle finings. It was cloudy all the way from going into the cube to pouring into the glass, even after sitting in a keg chilled for two months, and didn't taste like normal either. Yours may not be as drastic as that in terms of flavor, but I expect the clarity won't be great. In the case of my beers I'm pretty sure what caused the haze (inadequate separation of hot break) also caused the difference in flavor. Next time I'm out of kettle finings I simply won't brew until I get more. Not gonna risk another substandard batch when it takes 5-6 hours to brew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lao Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 I managed to chill to 23degC within 30 minutes, pitched the yeast and set fridge to 18.5degC. Hopefully cooling down reasonably quickly will make the negative effects of not using finings not so bad? Have found a new HBS closer to me in Joondalup, will give them a ring today and see if they have Whirlfloc.. Also will be CCing and fining with gelatine, so will report back with the results.. Cheers James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Cc'ing and finings won't do anything about hot break if it does cause an issue, because it results in what's known as permanent haze. Those beers I referred to above were treated with isinglass and polyclar, and it didn't do a damn thing. That said, I'm not trying to suggest that it will absolutely be a disaster of a beer. It may well turn out fine. Or fine enough. Maybe if those batches of mine were pale ales instead of pilsners, they would have been less affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lao Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Hope so!! Cloudy IPA isn’t as bad I spose as cloudy Pilsner! Hopefully the taste won’t be affected too much but there is plenty of hops in there , maybe it will end up masking any off flavours..? Cheers James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddyBrew2 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, James Lao said: I managed to chill to 23degC within 30 minutes, pitched the yeast and set fridge to 18.5degC. Hopefully cooling down reasonably quickly will make the negative effects of not using finings not so bad? Have found a new HBS closer to me in Joondalup, will give them a ring today and see if they have Whirlfloc.. Also will be CCing and fining with gelatine, so will report back with the results.. Cheers James Where’s the shop. I drive to Balcatta but he’s a bit pricey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 That's what I'm thinking James, the hops will probably mask any issues, at least enough that it doesn't affect it negatively. Cloudy in itself doesn't bother me too much, it's just in the case of those batches, the cause of the cloudiness also affected the flavor. But not all causes of cloudiness will affect the flavor. Either way, kettle finings are a must for me now. I use brewbrite but whirlfloc will do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lao Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, PaddyBrew2 said: Where’s the shop. I drive to Balcatta but he’s a bit pricey It’s in Joondalup, Winton Rd, I think Storm Brewing. Just called and they have Whirlfloc so will be going in. Its either that or Greenwood, that’s we’re I used to go, but lately have been making the trek to Brewmart - it’s like Bunnings for beer in there I love it! Bit more geared for the AG brewer as well. Cheers James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly74 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I wouldn't stress about it. I had a malfunction a while back with the helix I was trying out and ended up with most of the hot break going in to the cube. I typically avoid that as much as practicable, but couldn't avoided in this case. Beer ended up being extremely tasty and wasn't overly hazy (it was a bit hazy, but was no neipa, and tbh I never strive for perfectly clear pale ales anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Baron Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I forgot my kettle finings in my latest brew. S$&t happens. It will be hazy and will still taste like beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lao Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 weeks in the keg and it isn’t so bad after all! Love this hop combo Chinook Citra Cascade and Mosaic. Think it’s my best ever.... and maybe my last for a while Cheers James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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