porschemad911 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Beerlust said: I don't think I've ever bought the can. Why would I? Lusty, I too once thought as you do. The Mexican and Canadian kits were the ones I would never ever even think of buying. Then I tried the Mexican kit as the base of an American Brown Ale and it was delicious. Certainly nothing like Corona! And for that matter the Pale Ale I've been drinking based on that kit is great too. Just think of it as pre-bittered light LME. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 I think that’s a challenge @Beerlust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, porschemad911 said: Lusty, I too once thought as you do. The Mexican and Canadian kits were the ones I would never ever even think of buying. Then I tried the Mexican kit as the base of an American Brown Ale and it was delicious. Certainly nothing like Corona! And for that matter the Pale Ale I've been drinking based on that kit is great too. Just think of it as pre-bittered light LME. I understand where you are coming from John. I have brewed the Coopers DIY recipe: Helga's Cool Kolsch using the Canadian Blonde as the base so have some understanding of it & it worked well for that recipe. If I was going to make an American Brown Ale, I'd probably find a kit a bit closer to it's base flavours or use an unhopped LME & spend the extra 30mins in a boil & bitter it myself. I notice you primarily use the Cerveza kit with your 1/2 volume craft sized brews where the lower IBU is the best choice as a gap of 5 IBU between the APA kit at full volume then widens to 10 IBU which is substantial. 2 hours ago, The Captain1525230099 said: I think that’s a challenge @Beerlust For what? Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschemad911 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Beerlust said: I notice you primarily use the Cerveza kit with your 1/2 volume craft sized brews where the lower IBU is the best choice as a gap of 5 IBU between the APA kit at full volume then widens to 10 IBU which is substantial. Yep, I only do approx. 11l brews. For larger brews or styles where base bitterness doesn't matter quite as much (eg DIPA) the OS Lager kit is better value, and all base malt (but kilned a bit darker). Interestingly, the APA kit doesn't have wheat malt in it any more, only barley malt is listed on the ingredients label. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 18 hours ago, porschemad911 said: Interestingly, the APA kit doesn't have wheat malt in it any more, only barley malt is listed on the ingredients label. I confess to being a little shocked that Coopers aren't producing these brew can recipes closer to commercial makeups. This probably has a lot to do with why many customers often state that the taste from the specialised beer kits are "not quite the same" as the commercial stuff when they brew them, because as you've now enlightened us, their makeup is in fact "not quite the same". Cheers, Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSands Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 18 hours ago, porschemad911 said: For larger brews or styles where base bitterness doesn't matter quite as much (eg DIPA) the OS Lager kit is better value, and all base malt (but kilned a bit darker). It's certainly the one I use for the majority of partial-mash beers I like to brew. The can costs me $12. That's 1.7kg of plain light extract and some base bittering. About $4 cheaper than I can buy a can of unhopped extract for! There's enough wriggle room remaining with the base IBU's to accommodate any additional bittering my brews need. It's only on the rare occasions when I want to brew something lighter that the IBU & EBC of this tin proves to be too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamus O'Sean Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 3 hours ago, BlackSands said: It's certainly the one I use for the majority of partial-mash beers I like to brew. Noted. I saw the recipe for your Hoppy Amber on the Brew Day thread. Sounds like you do not need to get a top shelf extract/concentrate to make a good beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 So I had a glass of the Captains Choice Bro pale ale last night. First thoughts were I’m not really into this much crystal, but mouthfeel was definitely heavier than I’m use to and the bitterness did balance the over all sweetness. Still a little under carbed so I turned up the co2 a little. I’m not disappointed in the beer, its definitely nice, it was a good experiment and happy I’ve done it. Would I brew it again, yep but probably take a third of the crystal out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSands Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 58 minutes ago, The Captain1525230099 said: Would I brew it again, yep but probably take a third of the crystal out. I too had concluded that too much crystal aint all that great - I found the resultant sweetness to be rather cloying. I since dialled back the quantities I was using at the time. One small issue that created however was a loss in colour depth and for a number of my recipes I then felt I had to compensate with small additions of a dark malt - usually roasted barley, just for minor colour tweaks. I'm probably being overly pedantic really, and if it wasn't for my slight OCD to try conform to BJCP colour guidelines for the style I was brewing I probably wouldn't bother with these trivial colour adjustments and simply accept whatever the colour ends up being is the colour it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yep, I don’t care too much about colour really. It’s not like I’m entering comps or anything. Sometimes I’ll pop some black malt in for colour but not too often. @BlackSands, have you ever had a Epic Pale Ale? That’s what this recipe is from. Its a nice beer, maybe not to my tastes probably. The cascade is something else in this beer. Quite layered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I don't care about colour in terms of style guides but I do have preferences for each style I brew. I use 300g medium crystal in my pales because I like the flavour it gives but it also gives the colour I like in those beers. English ales I like a bit more toffee/caramel so I'll reduce the medium crystal and add a bit of Caraaroma to get that flavour. I like them a bit more of a deep copper colour which those malts in the amounts I use don't provide so a little black malt goes in as well to darken it a bit to the colour I want. Same with lagers, they're too pale for me with only the main malts so I add a little black malt to them as well to achieve a more golden colour without affecting flavour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSands Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Captain1525230099 said: @BlackSands, have you ever had a Epic Pale Ale? That’s what this recipe is from. Yup! Epic produce some great beers - especially if you're a hop-head! One of my favourites of theirs was a DIPA called "Hop Zombie". But at around $9 - $10 a bottle it's a VERY rare treat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 This beer is growing on me. Very bitter but so balanced. This really doesn’t taste like all cascade. I’m really happy with the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 So four weeks in the keg this beer is just a really good beer. Solid balance to this one. This beer has taught me not to be afraid of crystal malts, as long as the ibus balance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy81 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 11/21/2018 at 1:18 PM, The Captain1525230099 said: I’m going to give this one a crack, I’ll get the weyermann carapils and Bairds caramalt as that’s what they talked about. Thinking of subbing the golden promise though for B.B. Ale malt. The hopping schedule is as follows for this particular beer. The amounts are worked out on 7.5% AA, so will adjust levels once I know the AA amount of the cascade I have in the freezer. Did you dry hop 70g of cascade for 5 days x 2 @The Captain1525230099 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, Hoppy81 said: Did you dry hop 70g of cascade for 5 days x 2 @The Captain1525230099 ?? Yes 70g At 14c for 5 days then 70g at 2 degrees for 5 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy81 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Cheers mate. I'm going to do this one. I've just purchased 500g of cascade so i'm keen to give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just adjust the hops to the AA amount, you really want this to sit right on 45ibu, any less and it would be sweet. I ended up putting 45g 52g an 52g additions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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