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So S&W Pacific ale is a great summer beer, but I think it would be better a little drier, with a little more funk, a little tartness and a little higher hopping rate. 

I'm going to brew this next and see how it turns out. 

1.5kg Coopers Wheat LME

15g Galaxy at 15 mins (20 IBU) 

20g Galaxy at flameout

30g Galaxy dry hop

This is for a 5l boil volume, topped up to 11l in the fermenter. Should come out to around 20 IBU (plus maybe 10 from the flameout addition), 1.041 OG and 9 EBC.

Fermented with Wyeast 3726.

Do I need more hops? 

Cheers, 

John 

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The hops look fine to me. Perhaps start with this and tweak next time if necessary.

It looks like a nice beer.

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I’ve been thinking the same thing about my pacific ale. Thinking that Saison yeast would make it great.

On your suggestion @Ben 10 I’ve picked up a little enigma today to try out. 

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51 minutes ago, Ben 10 said:

Drinking one now.... sooooo good.

2:1 enigma to galaxy

Hmmm I've got heaps of Enigma in the freezer still, but think I'll try all Galaxy for this one. I did really like the 3:2 Enigma:Galaxy ratio in my session ale, and can see how a touch more Enigma could be a good thing. 

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For a good pacific ale I'd always recommend more hops.  When I do a 23L batch I do no boil additions and 100g galaxy in the cube, then a 200g dry hop. 

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29 minutes ago, Wobbly74 said:

When I do a 23L batch I do no boil additions and 100g galaxy in the cube, then a 200g dry hop. 

I'd be interested to taste that side by side with one of mine. My Pacific Saison is well balanced and doesn't have anywhere near 300g of hops.

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I'll let you know when I put one down next...I do think there's a law of decreasing returns with g/l of hops, but not sure how the curve plots yet 🙂

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That sounds like a good plan John. I have played with the idea of using saison yeast to dry out some styles but never was keen enough to try it. In theory it sounds awesome, let me know how it turns out and I will try a batch.

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3 hours ago, Norris! said:

let me know how it turns out and I will try a batch.

mine's good, don't wait - just do it.

nelson saison is great too.

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I've got some Galaxy and Amarillo at home.  Thinking of a combo with that as a Saison using John's recipe as a base  Any thoughts how that might work out?

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1 hour ago, NewBrews said:

Saison using John's recipe as a base  Any thoughts how that might work out?

Delicious is one thought.

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3 hours ago, The Captain1525230099 said:

Delicious is one thought.

That's what I was thinking as well, but very new at this still.

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Going to pop something like this on this week and let it go. Could only get the Mangrove Jacks M29 yeast but it seems like it should be ok. Lots of reviews likening it to Belle. Also have a mix of bits in hops, so it’ll be amarillo, galaxy and citra, so expecting a citrus/passion fruit bomb! 💣 

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I’ve used m29 on one of my last brews haven’t tried yet, that’ll be ready on Wednesday. I’ll report back when I try it. 

The yeast is a beast, it got my brew down to 1.000

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Yeah. I read some of the reports saying it’s fairly hungry.

Good thing I like a dry saison!

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Total newbie question. With saisons taking 3 or 4 weeks to ferment out fully,  when do you put your dry hop in? 

Is it bad to leave it there for weeks? 

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My Saisons have never taken that long to ferment out. 1.5 weeks max.

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Ahhh.  I've read a number of things suggesting that, so I was expecting this long drawn out fermentation.

I think I'll just see where it lands early next week and go from there. 

Cheers. 

 

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I think this long fermentation gist is attracted to Saison stall, which happens for a number of reasons, 

Keep your temps up towards the end and it’ll be alright. 

Thats MJ29 yeast is a monster too. I doubt that’ll stall.

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Fermentation time depends on which Saison yeast your are using. 3726 is not a particularly fast fermenter, especially compared with something like Belle Saison.

I like to leave my dry hop in for about a week, but am not too fussed as long as it is in for somewhere between 3 days to 2 weeks.

Cheers,

John

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Mine has been down 6 days now. Added the dry hop this morning and gravity at 1.006! Still obvious signs of active fermentation, lots of CO2 activity although the krausen has died off as one would probably expect. Very cloudy, so while I would expect some cloudiness with that amount of wheat, I’m sure it’ll clear up once it settles some more.

I’ll leave until at least Thursday and see how its travelling then, but probably won’t bottle it til next weekend.

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