Lab Cat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hi all Just bottled my Pils and loaded up for the next brew, so I've got plenty of stocks, then I'll probably slow down a bit. I grabbed a Black Rock Pale, a BE3 and 50g citra hops for a steep. I meant to get cascade, but ended up with Citra. This appears to be more fruity which could be ok, I gather Cascade is more of a citrus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This is what BeerSmith says about cascade. id also say slight pine in some uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Any suggestions for using the Citra hops. The last time I used hops, I boiled fuggles for 10m in 500g malt. I'm using a BE3-type fermentables mix this time, so just boil the hops in water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Even when I use Brew enhancers I still do a boil, I do 500g in 4.7l water, 5l is fine, your trying to get the boil gravity to 1.040 as that extracts the oils and stuff better. With that said, water extracts it the best but it tends to be harsher. For small amounts like for a hop tea it is fine but other well respected brewers, @Hairy use dme in the hop tea and add the before fermentation is finished. Hope that helps. Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks Norris. I'll do as last time then and use half my sugars with the hops in a bag. How long to boil and steep? I have 50g of Citra. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtman Dan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Citra's one of my favorites, goes good paired with other fruity/dank american hops, i'd use it in your batch it wont wreck it. I've done single hopped citra ales and they are sweet as, checkout 3Floyd's zombie dust clones for some ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtman Dan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Maybe small 5min boil, some at flame out then the rest for dry hop might be a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Sorry I still don't get what flame out is. Are you also suggesting keeping 10-20g back to throw in the FV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 It looks like the black rock pale ale is 16ibus, I am guessing that is for 23l. If you drop the volume to 21l or even 20 to 19l it will increase the bitterness and any aroma/flavors from the can. With the 50g of citra you have a few options but it depends on if you want more bitterness and some aroma and flavour or if your happy with the current IBU level. Option 1 adding a bit more bitterness but increasing the flavour. 10g citra boiled for 15 minutes 15g flameout. which means after the 15 minute boil, turn off the heat toss in the hops and move the pot to a pool of cool water to steep for 15 to 20 minutes. 25g dry hop. You could also just toss the last 40g in at flameout and skip the dry hop but that is up to the brewer. More flavour and aroma with little added to the bitterness boil your brew liquid, 500g and 5l, for 5 minutes turn off the heat and toss in 25g (flameout) put the pot in a bath of water and let steep for 15 to 20 minutes. Dry hop with the 25g or as above skip the dry hop and toss everything in at flameout. option 3 10g at 15min 15g at 5 min 25g at flameout So boil the BE3, with the same proportions as above, for 15 minutes. Start the timer once the wort has started to boil, at that time toss in 10g, 10 minutes later toss in the 15g and after 5 more minutes toss in the 25g. No dry hop. There are a ton more ways but these 3 should give you some ideas. Cheers Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Dirty Dan's 5min and flameout is good too. That grabs a lot of the flavour and aroma without adding to the bitterness too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 thanks Norris. I don't mind bitter beer at all, but I'm not familiar with the IBU scale, so don't know where the black rock sits. I used a hop bag for boil last time, but if I'm doing split boils, I assume it's ok to jsut throw them in without that, and put thru a strainer when ready to go in the FV?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Norris! said: but other well respected brewers, @Hairy use dme in the hop tea and add the before fermentation is finished. Hope that helps. Norris I correctly read this as “but other well respected Brewers, and Hairy, use DME .......” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I spit my beer out. Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I would make it at 19l or even 20l and that should increase the bitterness to a more noticeable level for you then. Maybe try a 10 minutes addition which will give it some flavor with 10 or 15g and then go the rest at flameout or split it to have a 25g dry hop or maybe 20g dry hop. Or just go with a 25g at flameout and 25g dry hop. Simple boil the 5l for like 5 minutes turn off the heat toss in half of the hops and let steep for 15 to 20 minutes and some guy name Bob is your Uncle. Good luck Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 For best Aroma/Flavor of your citra you could Dry Hop; When your fermentation is about finished at around day 5, you get a new chux cloth, put your 40g of Citra in the middle, tie it with a sanitized cable tie or rubber band, open your FV and chuck it in for your final 3 days of pimary fermentation. Then lift the lid, grab the floating chux cloth, give it a "Lusty" squeeze to drop all the lovely juice into the FV. then after a day or so, cold crash or bottle. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Cheers. lots of options. Some I even understand. I want to keep it simple, but add as much flavour as poss, as I don't know how bitter the standard can is. If I do a 10m boil and steep of about 10g, and then dry hop the rest as Warthog's post, will that get me max flavour and simpleness? Or if boiling 10g doesn't do much anyway, I could just dry hop the lot. But I can't cold crash, no beer fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthog Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 You're the Brew Master of your brewery. I believe you can't make a mistake, you can only learn and change. Whatever, you will like your brew. Cheers Lab Rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 You're right. I've had NFI what I was doing for 3 brews and I still got beer that gets drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 5:15 PM, Worthog said: For best Aroma/Flavor of your citra you could Dry Hop; When your fermentation is about finished at around day 5, you get a new chux cloth, put your 40g of Citra in the middle, tie it with a sanitized cable tie or rubber band, open your FV and chuck it in for your final 3 days of pimary fermentation. Then lift the lid, grab the floating chux cloth, give it a "Lusty" squeeze to drop all the lovely juice into the FV. then after a day or so, cold crash or bottle. Cheers Thanks Norris, I'll be doing this. My first hop experiment was with Fuggles and the English bitter. I boiled and steeped those before putting in at the start of ferment. Bitters are meant to be bitter after all, so thought this a logical choice. It didn't turn our extra bitter at all, in fact it's fairly subtle, but decent. I'm glad I did or the EB might have been a bit bland. I don't know how bitter the black rock pale extract is, so flavour seems the thing to go with. I teabagged Saaz for my pils, and they're still in the bottle. I get now why the shop only gave me a bag this time. I remember he said the 62 days is quite hopped up already, so that's why they didn't give me pellets to boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Despite the name, English bitters aren't all that bitter. Most of the ones I've had have had an underlying malt flavor, caramel/toffee influences. Hop bitterness balances it, but it isn't a hugely bitter style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Don't disagree, that is the flavour profile of Bitters. But you need that bitterness for balance, otherwise they're too sweet. I couldn't find a really good bitter anywhere, and that got me into brewing. With all this micro brew market going on, no one seems to be making any bitters. 4 Pines ESB is not bad, but a bit thin on body and flavour. I grew up going to British pubs, and my palette may have changed, but I remember a lot of the tap stuff being more bitter than flavoursome. If I did the EB again, I'd probably try and get more bitterness into it, unless the batch I have develops more bitterness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It's not likely to develop more bitterness, that tends to mellow over time. Mind you, it takes a bit of time, months usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Lab Rat said: I teabagged Saaz Strange nickname for someone but hey whatever floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, The Captain1525230099 said: Strange nickname for someone but hey whatever floats your boat. In Australia they are known as Saaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, The Captain1525230099 said: Strange nickname for someone but hey whatever floats your boat. Czech mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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