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I just wanted to make a comment about the Thomas Coopers Bootmaker's Pale Ale kit.

When the new range was released I eagerly looked at this kit as the first I wished to brew, & have subsequently brewed a number of the Thomas Coopers range. This was the only one I was disappointed in of the kits I've tried so far. I'm only disappointed because of the extra price tag above the other ranges. For the style it appears to be aimed at I feel it falls short as a base kit.

I would much prefer to see something like a Centennial/Simcoe mix other than the current Cascade/Styrian Golding combo that makes up the current hop mix. This particular range of kits should be fully loaded at their current price point where no extra hops/grains should be required & still produce a high quality beer in the styles they are aimed at. This kit is not quite up to the mark IMHO. I wish it was.

I don't mean any offence. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Lusty.

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Did you find this to be the case when making it to 20 litres?

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Only a week in the bottle but I like the bootmaker so far. I felt I should have brewed the IPA to 20 L instead of 23 L but I only used 500g dme plus brew enhancer 2 instead of the recommended 1.5 kg dme

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I've brewed 4 Bootmakers and have enjoyed all of them but that is also by adding grains and hops which obviously starts to become quite costly with the prices of the TC cans, but that is my preference to do so. Is there any plans of bringing new cans out anytime soon PB2 ?

 

Cheers,
Hoppy

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Hi Paul.

On 6/10/2018 at 10:02 PM, PB2 said:

Did you find this to be the case when making it to 20 litres?

You might have something there. I checked my brew notes & just as you suspected, I had brewed the kit to 23 litres each time. I did this as the IBU for the kit is high enough (41.2) @ 23 litres fermented for my liking, & I didn't want it too bitter.

I'm well aware that when dropping the volume it has the benefit of intensifying the flavours of the kit, so will give it another go at a lower volume & see how it turns out at some point. I'd been thinking of using the Amber Malt extract with it as I am quite a fan of American style Pale Ales like Karl Strauss's Pintale Pale Ale. What do you think?

Cheers,

Lusty.

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I think the amber malt would make it darker than those pale ale styles but it might balance the bitterness a bit more.

I always thought that IBU calculation was pre-fermentation anyway, not post.

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Lusty, Amber Malt Extract might be quite nice. 

The link you supplied has Pintale Pale with a colour of 15SRM, which (according to the people what made this stuff) is the same as Columbia Street Amber - very strange??

Yep, fermentation can reduce bitterness by around 10% to 30%.

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15 hours ago, PB2 said:

Lusty, Amber Malt Extract might be quite nice. 

The link you supplied has Pintale Pale with a colour of 15SRM, which (according to the people what made this stuff) is the same as Columbia Street Amber - very strange??

I agree about the SRM values being a little strange in comparison. ? The pics they post of the two beers certainly suggest a difference if indeed the visuals are true representations of the beer colour.

That said, the Pintail does carry a good whack of sweeter malt character & colour above many other Pale Ales I've sampled & with the hopping used, I do find it quite moreish. ? The Amber is fermented using a lager strain, has Munich malt in the grist & only bittered to 18 IBU so even if the SRM was the same, they would be very different beers to drink from the glass.

I'll likely give the Bootmaker a go with the amber malt @ 21 litres at some point soon.

Thanks,

Lusty.

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Had a few tonight;

Bootmaker Pale Ale, 2Kg Gladfields American Ale malt, 300g Rye malt

25g Cascade @ FO, 25g Cascade when the wort hit 70 C for 20mins, 25g Centennial @ dry

US-05 @ 18C, 23 L 

4%ABV, 35ish IBU

Citrus, Piney aromas and flavour. Nice lingering bitterness. 

In fear of sounding like someone, My best brew yet! ?

I'll  post a pic once it carbs up a bit more. I think the extra stuffing around with doing partials is paying dividends. 

Cheers,

Dave

 

This is where I'm coming from with my opinion about this kit in particular.

A lot of extra effort had to go into creating flavours I believe the kit should (at some level) already encompass.

I shouldn't need to flameout or hop tea this beer kit. If I wish to dry hop it fair enough.

For it's price point it should be more forward in this area (IMHO). The use of Styrian Golding in it's makeup certainly doesn't help this.

Lusty.

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20 hours ago, Beerlust said:

The use of Styrian Golding in it's makeup certainly doesn't help this.

Totally agree.

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Just tasting the first of my second attempt at this kit and I'm not a fan either.  Partly it's because I'm generally not a fan of pale ales, I prefer them to be a bit lighter, lower in alcohol and fruity like some of the NZ pales, or heavier in hops and alcohol like the US ones that by Aussie standards are pretty much IPA's.  I find a lot of Aussie pale ales sit uncomfortably in the middle, too much malt flavour and not enough alcohol.

First attempt at this kit was like that.  I used 1.5kg LDM and a 30gm Chinook hop tea.  My partner liked it, but it didn't suit my tastes.  This batch I've tried to make it lighter and easier to drink, so I went with BE3 and the 30gm Chinook again.  It's quite nice and easy to drink but a bit thin and kittish.  That should smooth off with ageing, but I swear this kit just tastes like a slightly nicer real ale or something.  If it wasn't for the Chinook I added I don't think it would have much of any flavour at all.

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