gmnicho Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 6/10/2018 at 11:36 AM, ZedT said: Paying 13 bucks for any 500 ml of beer is ridiculous, given that it is commercial beer, regardless of what they call it. Calling beer " craft beer" to me is the same as calling sourdough bread " craft bread" or "artisan bread" or sticking a tiny piece of fetta cheese in a pretty jar and charging $20 or repacking cherry tomatoes, calling them "gourmet" and selling them at 5 times higher prices. I understand that in case of "craft" beers they actually take care of their brew and final product tastes (sometimes) as it should, but at the end of the day it is commercially brewed beer that does not warrant a price hike of 300 or more %. Agreed, it's dear as poison! And tastes like absolute rubbish, all those pirate life beers are only good for one thing - using them as a paint stripper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeB7 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 10:35 AM, karlos_1984 said: I lived in Canada for a couple of years and it was actually cheaper to go out and drink in the bars then it is to buy cartons to take home. My local used to sell Pabst Blue ribbon tall cans for $3.75 and had all u can eat popcorn for free. A carton of the local megaswill was close to $60. I did a road trip around the states and loved it because after a long day driving I could pull into a servo and buy a litre can of Miller high Life for about $2-$3. Still, beer prices here are a joke. I remember when Carlton dry first came out and was called Carlton premium dry. One of the local pubs bottle shop used to sell it for $30 a carton, before it became pretty popular. The uni students (myself included) used to snap it up really quick. The pub would order about 3 pallets of the stuff and get it on Thursday and it'd be gone by the weekend. I've gotta give credit to Cooper's though. After trying their beers years ago it's what got me started in trying craft beers and breweries as Cooper's seem to be the only major brewery that offers anything other than just a lager as a main stream option around the country. A trip around Tuscany last year with 600ml Peronis in the supermarket at €1 each had the checkout chick looking bemused at 3 Aussie blokes with a shopping trolley filled to the brim. Australia definitely OVERTAXED on grog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 hours ago, gmnicho said: Agreed, it's dear as poison! And tastes like absolute rubbish, all those pirate life beers are only good for one thing - using them as a paint stripper! We all have different tastes & likes when it comes to things we like & dislike including beer. That said, I'm not sure you fully understand what is involved in making REAL beer, with REAL flavour. Perhaps stick to your overpriced, under malted, rip off beer that has the consistency & taste of the paint stripper you describe! Pirate Life beers are awesome! Lusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Probably the same that's involved in making flavorless swill Lusty, except they actually put the hops into real beer instead of just waving them around somewhere in the vicinity of the boil kettle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerlust Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Otto Von Blotto said: Probably the same that's involved in making flavorless swill Lusty, except they actually put the hops into real beer instead of just waving them around somewhere in the vicinity of the boil kettle ...and more malt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 6 hours ago, gmnicho said: Agreed, it's dear as poison! And tastes like absolute rubbish, all those pirate life beers are only good for one thing - using them as a paint stripper! You can get a box of Ratsak for about $7. Pirate Life costs way more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 10 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 6 hours ago, gmnicho said: all those pirate life beers are only good for one thing - using them as a paint stripper! Easy to say. I quite like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I guess the lads at Pirate Life made some pretty ordinary beer. They started a business, made a country take notice, got some following, got major distribution throughout Australia and then sold it for a hefty price in only a few years. However, made beerlike paint stripper. I think not sunshine. Good luck to ya. Captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Pirate Life doesn't make bad beers at all. Quiet tasty. Will I pay 90 bucks for a case.. no i wont. Not when i can make something equivalent for around 20 bucks for 19L. The ones I really like like Duvel and Chimay are well over 100 for a carton. Ridiculous actually when with a bit of research and some of your time they are not hard to replicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Plus beers like chimay and duvel are cheaper to make than a hoppy pale ale or IPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Greeny1525229549 said: Not when i can make something equivalent for around 20 bucks for 19L Hey Greeny how much are you paying for hops? Even in bulk I only get them as low as $8/100g and bulk malt in bags as low as $2.60/kg so there is no way I could make a 19L batch of a Hoppy pale for $20. A batch like that would cost minimum $30, probably closer to $40/$50 if I wanted to make it jump of of the glass with hops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Morning Jools.. I suppose its how hoppy you want it.. kangaroo hoppy. The below recipe is a moderately hopped PA. Its a simple recipe which is basically a SNPA with a bigger dry/keg hop. Hoppy and tasty to me. Hops are definately the main expense as you can see. The base ingredients are fairly cheap. I do buy the cascade online which saves me a bit. This comes to $21.38 without my electricity or Water or my time. Electicity and water maybe another $1.50 3.9kg BB Ale male at $2.12 per kg - $8.27 0.3kg Crystal at $4.70 per kg - $1.41 Magnum 15grams at $8 per 100g - $1.20 Perle 10grams at $8 per 100g - $0.80 Cascade all up 110gm (50gm in boil and 60gm keg hop) @ $7 per 100g - $7.70 Irish Moss maybe $0.50 LDME for the reused US-05 starter $1.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 The ones that really get me upset are these examples. Love Duvel but $150 a carton!!! And if I can make an equivalent for about $10 a carton excluding the packaging where the hell is the other $140 going. https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_138940/duvel-golden-ale-330ml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Tax, employee wages, shipping cost, cost of brewing it other than ingredients, profits etc. I agree it's way over the top but I'd suspect the tax on it is the biggest portion of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 would be interesting what a case of Duvel costs in Belgium. I suspect all those factors that Kelsey mentioned do bump up the price. I can see how buying BB malt, recycling yeast and not hopping the PA to the eyeballs can get it under $20 per batch. That beers looks tasty and would be much like a SNPA. I do love my hops and I go very hoppy (kangaroo hoppy) and that means a big late hop bill. Or I will go in the other direction and just have an early addition for a lager or a Kölsch beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Otto Von Blotto said: Tax, employee wages, shipping cost, cost of brewing it other than ingredients, profits etc. I agree it's way over the top but I'd suspect the tax on it is the biggest portion of the price. I think this covers it. With importing, you usually have a few fingers in the pie along the distribution chain, so it all adds to the costs. A friend of mine has just left to go back to the States, having spent 5 years here. It took him a long time to get used to the beer prices here. Importing costs is one thing for us, but not in the US for their domestic beers. He pays around $30 or less for a carton of Sierra Nevada. Some states have higher taxes, but it doesn't change a massive amount. The mass market stuff is cheaper still. The US will also pay a lot less for imported beers, as they have the bargaining power of massive volume and turnover. In this case, many big brewers can afford to sell for a lot less, despite their export costs. And yet, Trump still thinks the US are getting stiffed in trade with just about anyone. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lab Cat Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Edit time ran out... I get along well with my local wine a beer specialist, a small family comer store setup - they sell all the hip and funky stuff from Cheeky Monkey, Colonial, PL and many micro brewers. He said craft beer allows him to make a living. He can't sell VBs and Emus etc because with the buy and sell on them, he's shifting them for about $1 a carton. Uncle Dan can do it, but they have the economies of scale and turnover of these products to make something from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I predominantly home brew and supplement it with occasional commercial craft beer purchases. If I solely drank commercial craft beer I would be broke. I don't know how people manage to do it. I can brew 23 litres of beer for the price of some six packs. But I still enjoy trying different commercial beers, either at home or at a pub/bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I’m the same as Hairy. We have a local bottle that gets all sorts of weird and wonderful beers from around the country and abroad. yes it’s expensive and usually just try a couple of different beers at a time. Especially when it could be up to $20 a bottle. I really enjoy trying different saisons from the likes of La Sarene, etc. But really don’t want to buy a full 6 pack or carton. A mate of mine only drinks these expensive craft beers but hey, that’s his thing. Captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenyinthewestofsydney Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, joolbag said: would be interesting what a case of Duvel costs in Belgium. I suspect all those factors that Kelsey mentioned do bump up the price. https://completebelgium.com/price-of-beer-in-belgian-carrefour-supermarkets/ This was of 2015 at carrefour. 25.39 euro for 24 duvels. At todays fx rate about $41. So say $50 now. Unless they are fitting only two cartons on a pallet to Australia then someone in Australia is making a whole heap of money somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joolbag Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I wonder if there are people on a Belgian beer brewing forum lamenting the cost of a slab of Fosters/VB/XXX that is $150/24pk over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I'll have to check Beersmith tomorrow but I don't think any of my pale ales are $30 a batch either, and that's for 25 litre batches. Having said that, I don't load up the hops heaps in them, probably even less than greenys recipe there (though I am thinking about increasing the cube and dry hops). Some pilsners have been over $30 a batch though, when I had those ridiculous Saaz pellets that were only 1.3%AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Otto Von Blotto said: Saaz pellets that were only 1.3%AA Ha ha ha ha heard of Saaz being as low as 3 but that is just taking the piss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I thought it might have been a typo on the label so I decided to brew a batch using that figure. Used about 360g or something of them and the beer turned out as normal so I figured it wasn't a typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Captain!! Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 My last batch of hoppy pale cost just under $40 for 25l. And that’s not including yeast as I’ve started reusing. That had 203g of hops all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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