Hey.gringo Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'm looking at doing some extract recipes after doing a dozen or so kits and bits. Have just done a cascarillo amber ale from the coopers website, it's not bottled yet but sample did not seem v bitter at all. Next up I'm planning a Dr Smurto inspired, King Ruddager inspired (thanks for the vids!) extract golden ale. I'm only able to do a 4L boil and a bit worried about getting the bitterness right. I plugged my ingredients into IanH's spreadsheet (thanks also to Ian for that!) to get a hop schedule, my question is about the hop concentration factor which I've just stumbled upon. With it being a small boil seems like I need to up the hops pretty significantly to get the same predicted IBU. Should I just increase the 60min addition, or the 15 min addition too? Or add a 30 min addition? SHould I aim for somewhere in the middle of the predicted IBU as a bit of a compromise? Was planning on using magnum for bittering then just amarillo, also have some cascade and galaxy in the freezer I could add. Think I'll get a crown urn in near future so can do larger boils if I continue with extract rather than kits but for now 4L is about my limit. Here's my original recipe, any advice gratefully received! Coopers Light LME 1.5kg Coopers Wheat LME 1.5kg Light crystal 60 250g Magnum 16g 12.2%AA @60min, Amarillo 15g 8.4%AA @15min, amarillo 15g 8.4%AA @5min Amarillo 20g dry hop Yeast US05 IBU 30.9 (IBU with hop concentration factor 18) Cheers Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaS1 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Hi Neil. If you can only do a 4L boil, probably best to use a pre-hopped kit for the bittering addition, such at the Mexican Cervesa or APA kit. The Mexican Cervesa kit has lower IBUs and leaves you more wiggle room for additional IBUs from late hop additions, that is if you want to keep your IBUs around 30. I am in the same boat as you and am limited to small boils, so that is why I use pre-hopped kits for bittering. I used to use the Lager and APA kits as bases, but I am finding the Lager kit too bitter to be a good base, and even the APA kit is starting to seem too bitter as a base. I am going to try the Mexican Cervesa kit next time. I'd also move your 15 minute addition of Amarillo to 10 minutes; you will get more flavour and aroma out of them that way, and less bitterness. Cheers, Christina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 hey gringo good luck. About to put down a similar recipe but using a pre hopped can 1 can golden crown lager (no idea what else to do with it) 1 can wheat extract 20g Amarillo @10 20g Amarillo @0 another 25g Amarillo Dry hop (not sure about this) us-05 20ltrs only part I'm not sure on is the crown lager Cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 hey gringo good luck. About to put down a similar recipe but using a pre hopped can 1 can golden crown lager (no idea what else to do with it) 1 can wheat extract 300g of some grain 'caramalt' maybe 20g Amarillo @10 20g Amarillo @0 another 25g Amarillo Dry hop (not sure about this) us-05 20ltrs only part I'm not sure on is the crown lager Cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris! Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Gully that sounds good. The amarillo will provide nice flavour and aroma. Give it a go and keep the temp in check and I bet it will taste lovely. Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Yeah reckon you're right Christina, reliable bitterness and 50mins less boiling does sound like the way to go :). I've mostly used APA kit, will check out the lager kit as well. When doing similar recipes before I've been mostly using ldme, guess I'll try a pretty similar recipe to yours then gully with the wheat lme instead to see how that goes. Cheers Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 hey gringo let us know how you go. my brew has been put down and just writing up my notes now... I may of forgotten to take gravity readings but about to get them now so I have em for the future Gully to understand what to expect. drinking John Boston golden ale to see what to expect cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Well took a while to get time to do this. Wound up doing 1.7kg aus pa 1.5kg wheat lme 220g light crystal 25g Amarillo@10mins, 25g amarillo@5min rehydrated US05 pitch at 19, dropping it to 18 planning on dry hop with cascade cos ran out of Amarillo. Hows yours going gully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Hey.gringo said: Well took a while to get time to do this. Wound up doing 1.7kg aus pa 1.5kg wheat lme 220g light crystal 25g Amarillo@10mins, 25g amarillo@5min rehydrated US05 pitch at 19, dropping it to 18 planning on dry hop with cascade cos ran out of Amarillo. Hows yours going gully? hey gringo I have mine bottled and conditioning atm. Will sink a few late next week to see how it goes. Tried a sample at bottling, very nice, let's see how it turns out. had temps set at 18deg and finally nailed the temps all the way through. day 6 upped the temp to 20deg and dry hopped. day 9 fg of approx 1012 was reached same as day 7. let it go for another day then gave it a cold crash for 2 days bottled with dex... hoping this will be my standard brew to learn what different hops do at different points. anyway I will keep you updated when I start drinking the beer cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 well first tastings. nice flavour but I have not got the balance right. A little to bitter for my liking. Maybe in few weeks it will mellow out a bit so its not like I'm sucking the arse out of a lemon on every mouth full. cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If on the second tasting it is still to bitter, I will pull the old 'green ginger wine' addition my dad taught me back when I was forcing myself to enjoy beer. used to take the bitterness out of my cheap beer, this was a time before I had developed tastebuds everything needed to be sweet back then to be enjoyed cheers Gully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowbrew Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I take it that you are not a fan of IPAs then Gully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 Well that sucks! I'm only 6 days into fermentation but sample tasted nice when I did my dry hop and checked gravity. I reckon you're better off being too bitter than not enough though. I had my first cascarillo ale last night and don't even know if it would register on IBU scale. Way too sweet and don't know if theres much I can do about it, add some tonic water?! Made it through my longneck but getting through the other 27 is going to be a struggle! Got my hopes pinned on this current brew, fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Rowbrew said: I take it that you are not a fan of IPAs then Gully? a what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 No I was over exaggerating a bit. well okay alot. Very nice for my first time doing golden ale and the beer is still very green so it will change over the next few weeks. But all in all a great success in beer brewing. Now to just do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 I know in theory you start losing hop flavour quite quickly but I always find mine taste best after 6-8 weeks. Just tough waiting that long sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 So this is the result of my work. after the first 'it's to bitter' giry scream. This has seriously come up to be my best brew to date and the one I'll work to reproduce. Great flavour, maybe a little 2 dimensional given only using Amarillo hops, but now has led me to ordering more hippy flavoured beers that I hostestly would of never looked at previously. Let me know how yours is holding up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 Looking good! Glad it's worked out well! I'm a couple of weeks behind you and only bottled about a week ago, with current temps will take a little while to carbonate I guess, will crack 1 in another week or so for a taste of things to come, fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I ended up putting half a dozen in a small space and wrapping them up to keep at 20°, cause I wanted to see if i had made something great. makes me think I need a conditioning fridge set at 20° oh the rabbit hole I could run down is very dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 I really should have kept them in my fermentation fridge cos it's been empty this week. Should be brewing an IPA in next few days so will need it again for that, will just need to be patient with the bottles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 IPA very nice yet to do a brew of that standard. I cannot afford the hop squedual of a IPA just of yet I'm going to do another fake-Oktoberfest again trying to recreate a very nice brew from the coopers forum. then another golden ale x2 to get a forward brew load so I don't run out of beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Well wasn't sure if it'd be carbonated yet cos it's not been kept v warm...and it's really still pretty much flat. Other than that, doesn't taste too bad, see see it being quite nice in another few weeks once it's matured a bit and has a little fizz. Probably a slightly lighter colour than yours, bit surprised with that cos you used the lager can as a base right? Will post a photo once i open the next one to compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Von Blotto Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Might wanna warm.the bottles up. They may not carbonate otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey.gringo Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Have moved them into our hallway now after realising the shed wasn't going to cut it so should be ok, fermenting fridge is occupied so best I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullys Brewing Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I steeped some grains into mine aswell which has made the brew darker then it probably should be. Disapointenly I have almost finished all mine off really enjoyed them, will be making it again once the weather warms up... need a lager recipe of similar calibre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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